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Post by jklinders on Jul 18, 2011 1:04:51 GMT 1
It's right in the Codex as well as dialogue in the ME 1 DLC that the Batarians would get their asses kicked if it was open war against the Terrans. That's why they ran to the council in the first place. That's why they left the Citadel and turned to backing pirates and slaving raids. These are the tactics that the weak use against the strong. I'd say the only reason the Terrans are not carpet bombing the Batarians is because they are trying to make nice to the other races.
I'd say one reason the Terrans inflicted more losses on the Turians in the First Contact war was as much the surprise of overwhelming reinforcements as it was superior armed ability. The Codex is pretty clear that much of Citadel space would burn if those 2 factions all out fought. It is anything but clear on who would win.
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Post by Octo on Jul 18, 2011 1:48:26 GMT 1
The Alliance Navy could never, ever win against the turians, but most of that is due to numbers. The turian navy is probably some times larger than the Alliance Navy. Five times in dreadnoughts, and probably three or four times in lighter ships, too. No way anybody can win against those numbers. However, what the First Contact War showed was the quality of the human military. Not only do the turians have the largest navy in the galaxy, but by all accounts also the best, because military service is their hat. And still the humans managed to inflict more casualities than them.
The batarians are not the turians. They do not have the numbers of the turians. Since they used to be an associate member of the Citadel, at best they have the same numberical levels as the humans. Since the humans maxed out their Treaty of Farixn allotment it's even possible the batarians have less in numbers. And that at probably a worse quality.
So, yeah, the humans would win.
However - the cost. I think that is why there hasn't been war yet. Such a war would disrupt the entire Alliance economy, result in untold death and destruction... it would disrupt the Alliance in its great power ambitions. So they let hundreds be taken slaves and treated as animals, rather then to disturb their precious fantasies of becoming a galactic great power.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jul 18, 2011 2:00:22 GMT 1
I don't know why, but I can just see the asari and salarians stabbing the turians in the back as soon as it looked like humanity had the upper hand.
Actually, I do know why I can see that. Both of those races are full of scummy guys.
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Post by Octo on Jul 18, 2011 2:02:24 GMT 1
Nah, the Council is all so much about stability, they'd never backstab one of their own. Or at least I can't see it. You know, a crow doesn't pick out another crow's eyes, or whatever that saying was...
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Post by jklinders on Jul 18, 2011 3:42:53 GMT 1
I thought it was birds don't shit in their own nests... bah whatevs.
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Post by renegadepoint on Jul 18, 2011 7:17:41 GMT 1
The council would troll them. I think the alliance can take the batarians. They seem to stick to guerrilla warfare and terrorist tactics.
The best tactic would be to send black-ops special forces teams to help free the slave and/or sabotage their slaving operations. Who are the batarians going to tell if one of the agents gets caught?
Maybe even hire freelancers to go raid batarian colonies. Not the most honorable tactic but war is hell.
Here's my list of the most put-upon specis in Mass Effect in order.
1) Geth/AI : Regardles of their intentions, they are to be killed on site. Thats as bad as it gets short of extinction.
2) Quarians : The geth nearly wiped them out and the council abandoned them. Pretty much sucks to be a quarian.
3) Krogan : Countdown to extinction. Pretty much sucks to be a krogan too.
4) Hanar / Elcor / Volus : I put them in the same spot because they all have the same problem. They don't have a strong enough military to be allowed on the council. Which kind of show what the council's purpose really is.
5) Humans : Yeah we get looked down on but we get ours. Took us like 25 years to get a council seat. Most other specis it takes more then 100.
6) Asari / Salarians / Turians : Though incredibly differnt, they have upper class status for their ability to have gotten to the Citadel first.
7) Batarians : I just feel bad for those who realized how fucked up their government is but can't do any thing about it. Unfortunatly they are probably few and far between.
8) Reapers : They won't tell us what they want so to hell with them.
I realize grouping some of them together is lame but I can't think of why one would be worse off then the others in those groups.
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Post by lollaro on Aug 3, 2011 0:16:51 GMT 1
I would say Geth. I mean EVERY single organic being (apart from Shepard with Legion) shoots them on sight xD
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 3, 2011 4:12:20 GMT 1
Good point.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 3, 2011 5:09:40 GMT 1
It's kinda self inflicted though. In the years since they nearly committed genocide on the Quarians (Self defense is hard to maintain as an argument seeing as they took it to a pretty serious extreme), there is no evidence that they made any kind of effort to contact the rest of the galaxy. The only thing anyone knows about them is they are the scary metal guys that killed billions. Then Eden Prime happens and they still do not contact anyone.
Really what is everyone supposed to think?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Aug 3, 2011 9:48:29 GMT 1
It's the lightbulbs man.....
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Post by Octo on Aug 3, 2011 10:49:54 GMT 1
There's nothing "nearly" about the genocide committed against the quarians. I, ah, don't want t delve into RL examples, but we already call it genocide when a large part of the targetted population group is killed. In this case, it wasn't just a large part, it was 99.99%.
Plus, programs don't die. And we have no idea whether the geth procreate. So there is a good chance that the geth that live these days are in fact the same programs who committed the genocide back then. Which would mean they deserve all and any ire they get, including deadly ire.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 3, 2011 17:21:12 GMT 1
The quarians commited mass genocide against the geth first... and the geth responded with the same. Since then it was a war on both sides. I'd say both sides behaved... inhumanly.
And it's hard to judge machines by the same moral and personality-based standards as organics. I don't understand the geth (to what extent they are people, or emotional, or individuals.... or were at the time) so I don't know who is truly 'to blame'.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Aug 3, 2011 17:52:47 GMT 1
i blame Skynet!
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 3, 2011 18:57:04 GMT 1
xD
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Post by jklinders on Aug 3, 2011 20:41:49 GMT 1
Whether machines have the same morals and personality as organics or not is really not at issue. All anyone has to go by is their past actions. Their past actions involved either genocide or attempted genocide (however you wish to invoke the term, not really picking a fight here Octo, I just hate bickering about semantics). Whether it's fair or not, that is the galaxies only interaction with them.
Hiding behind the veil for 300 years ensured that that was all anyone knew about them. Then Eden Prime happens and reinforces what every expected of them all along. What's not surprising is the shoot on sight attitude. What is surprising is the lack of EMP armed warships going into the veil.
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