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Racism
Aug 2, 2013 18:24:50 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Aug 2, 2013 18:24:50 GMT 1
Pretty sure the Black and other minority student unions don't exclude people based on race. That was explicitly said not in the article but by one of the few level headed people commenting below.
I'll reserve judgement until I have confirmation of that and whether Sharp allows races other than "white" in his little club. That he was inspired by that mouth breathing moron from Towsen university is actually pretty troubling to me as he looked a little too much like an especially clean cut Neo Nazi to me.
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Racism
Aug 2, 2013 23:19:43 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 2, 2013 23:19:43 GMT 1
Sharpton and his ilk will tolerate anyone who follows their "let's blame whites for everything" rhetoric, to say nothing of groups like the Black Panthers. My hometown had a "black history tour group" that, while it was never explicitly said that whites weren't welcome, the prevailing attitude was "what's this white guy doing here"?
Just stating my observations and experiences here. Not looking to pick a fight.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 2, 2013 23:46:11 GMT 1
The whole deal with segregation and why a black or women's group is not the same as a club for white men is complicated and would take a while for me to explain my view. But the short version is - not very long ago there were 'whites only' and 'men only' clubs and they were called 'everywhere'. Nowadays thanks to a century of extremely hard work and sacrifice from entire peoples our countries have some semblance of equality - one that still needs to be battled for on a daily basis, by the way. Clubs fighting for a specific issue like black people's rights absolutely need to exist, and a smaller group banding together against a majority does not imply bigotry, whereas the other way around (historically and today) often goes hand in hand.
You cannot view a whites-only group the same way you do a blacks-only. They're two different things, and because of the many, many cultural and historical implications of both they are NOT the same concept. When have you ever heard of a group that attacks, persecutes, restricts the legal rights or lynches white people in the US? Now when have you heard of one that does those things to blacks? Because blacks are not the majority, do not have the ability. Colour aside, big groups of people will always try to control and rule over smaller ones. It's a very tricky situation when you start imposing double standards and I don't advocate different rules for different people -- but I see so many people who aren't exactly racist make the mistake of thinking a 'whites only' and a 'blacks only' club are the same thing. Reducing the issue until it sounds logical, because it's comfortable to think of yourself as the poor underdog. You're white, you are NOT the underdog and you are sooooooo not having your rights threatened. If you want to know what those things feel like, talk to women. Talk to Jews. Talk to gays. And really have a word with the people who your ancestors enslaved and who just now managed to get one of theirs elected President after a huge amount of effort, and who spend every day assuring your people that the man is neither a terrorist nor foreign.
A 'minority' is just a group that is smaller than the others. (It is a very pleasant fact however that globally, black people are NOT a minority at all.) Whites outnumber blacks in the USA and UK - they're a minority there. It's just a maths term. Some of the people in this small group remember when they were kids and the larger group wouldn't let them use the front door in a restaurant or drink the same water. Yes it's been some time since that was abandoned, but not so long that black people aren't wary, and they are still persecuted constantly. Maybe when the larger group stop attacking blacks, American black people will no longer need to group together, but that time hasn't arrived yet.
'Keep it short' indeed. Oh Buch, you and the sound of your own voice.
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Racism
Aug 3, 2013 0:02:38 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 3, 2013 0:02:38 GMT 1
Wow... I thought the civil rights movement was about people being treated based on their merits, not their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
What I'm getting out of your post is "well bad things happened to them in the past so they can willingly segregate/discriminate against people outside of their group if they choose, but if the mean members of the majority want to do the same, they're wrong".
In my profession (and upbringing) I NEVER judge a person on their skin color. Only on what they do. The former is mandatory by military law while the latter is simply my view that a person's actual worth resides on what they do rather than some superficial feature about them. I see a human first and everything else second.
Forgive me for thinking that the concept of "rule of law" means double-standards should be considered invalid and unethical. It may be logical for people of like persuasion to want to band together, but saying some groups can do it while others cannot (barring illegal activities) is hypocritical and honestly doesn't help matters.
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Racism
Aug 3, 2013 0:16:33 GMT 1
Post by Cali on Aug 3, 2013 0:16:33 GMT 1
That being: drawing attention to the double standard that exists in America (particularly in school) these days in that Black groups are applauded for being nothing more than black groups, whilst a white group of the same variety is a no-no. I'd have to say it's because just about every dude who's dabbling in this sort of thing almost always turns out to be a closet neo-nazi or neo-confederate. Hell, look at Matthew Heimblech from Maryland University's white student union, with his dorm plastered with Rebel flags reading "The South Will Rise Again" and having books like "Mein Kampf" on his shelf (though to be fair, it's always possible that he owns it for studying the mind of a murderous and insane despot rather than admiring and adhering to it, though due to all the other things he owns like The Bell Curve, it could very well be the other way around). If Heimblech was actually genuinely "not racist" like he said he was, he wouldn't have any of that, and knowing him, he'd deny that a cross was burning in the back yard of his home was racist and would dismiss it as "a yard warmer" or some shit. You know there's still a generation of black men incarcerated due to the insanely stupid sentences for possession and distribution of crack cocaine (as opposed to white collar yuppies who are busted for doing coke in their office and they get about two years and a Goodfellas style prison suite in Reikers island). The reason this is still happening is probably due to the fact that our prison labor industry is too profitable for the more morally questionable of Wall Street's stockbrokers. There's actually a state prison in Missouri with a disproportionate black population where the inmates pick cotton. The Klan may be on the fritz, but there's plenty of other of factors that make it hell for non-white citizens nowadays. Well, the reason I wouldn't brush with one of those organizations with a fifteen foot pole is that the idea of racial pride as a lifestyle is fucking stupid, and essentially exists for people to feel proud of things they didn't actually do. White Nationalism is an especially boneheaded ideology, since considering white nations and businesses have large amounts of control of the fiscal world, it pretty much negates the purpose for white nationalism. I mean, seriously, white people in America have various cultures and backgrounds. You'd think they could narrow it down a bit rather than just being proud they have less pigment in their skin than other races. For instance, I find being Irish quite awesome (I know where the line is drawn, though), and many other people do too. Such as many people are proud of being Italian, Polish, Jewish, Mexican, El Salvadorian, yadda yadda. When people say "where's a White history month", of course I'd be baffled at the mere mention of such an obvious intentionally agitating suggestion, but they also aren't even thinking about the fact that a "Black history month" (something I'm not totally for due to the reasons I've previously elaborated on) makes more sense than one for whites, considering the discrimination and hardships they went through were radically different than anything most whites had to endure. I also get pretty pissed off when people act like black people only have one (sub)culture in America. Africans and Australian aboriginals are among the most ethnically diverse races in the world (Lubo, Hutu, Zulu, Amhara in Africa etc) and subcultures in predominately white nations like America vary greatly. Some people say all Rap and Hip-Hop sounds and seems the same, when in truth, it's bullshit. You have your G-Unit crowd, your Crunk crowd (on the brink of extinction, along with its genre), your Hip-Pop boys and girls in another corner, Stylas, European Hip-Hop enthusiasts (yes, they're around here in the US), your Art-Rap fellas, Surf Rappers, and your old school synth Rap style bros. Racism is one of the dumbest fucking things on the planet because it's a narrow minded endeavor perpetuated by dumbass people who say dumbass things which leads to them doing dumbass (but mostly just horrible) things. Racial pride has always proven to be a heavily angled and slippery stepping stone for full blown cross-burning style racism, and anybody who says otherwise has his/her head firmly planted in their orifice.
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Racism
Aug 3, 2013 1:33:31 GMT 1
Post by Clint Johnston on Aug 3, 2013 1:33:31 GMT 1
Loving these replies.
Iron - I don't mind that sort of look so much. You are out of place. It's like going to church in a clown costume. You're welcome, but people will look at you for being out of place.
Buch - A very valid point. There's a lot of emotional history that would make a real "White Student Union" (not just one to make a point) an impossibility. Just as in the discussion of WWI and II the other day, it's perfectly natural for that to be carried on a few generations. It's the same reason that the confederate flag is so frowned on these days. It just doesn't mean state's rights to most people.
Iron 2 - That's great of you. I also aim for this goal. But it's easy to understand why some people are not so ready to start with an even playing field in their head. There wasn't one until their parents were born and even now there many places where it still isn't there. My own grandfather and his small(ish) town has a clear race line.
Cali - Well said. People lump "White People" together and fail to realize that this is a fairly new development (in the last century at most).
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Racism
Nov 19, 2013 1:24:06 GMT 1
Post by Cali on Nov 19, 2013 1:24:06 GMT 1
New development: Whenever I come in contact with a vocally racist white man, I find just calling them a "Busta" and walking away is the best way to break the ice and close the case.
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Racism
Nov 26, 2013 1:03:48 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 26, 2013 1:03:48 GMT 1
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Racism
Nov 26, 2013 11:28:32 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Nov 26, 2013 11:28:32 GMT 1
This bit at the end , I like a lot. That whole paragraph is wisdom.
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Racism
Nov 26, 2013 14:00:31 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 26, 2013 14:00:31 GMT 1
QFT. This actually restores some of my faith in humanity to the point where I'm not going to be working quite as hard on signalling the Cylons to come to Earth and go nuts. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that I'm still trying to figure out how to get off of this rock.
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Racism
Nov 26, 2013 20:33:09 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Nov 26, 2013 20:33:09 GMT 1
Didn't humans create the Cylons? Or are we a forgotten colony? Pretty trippy either way.
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Racism
Nov 26, 2013 23:48:30 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 26, 2013 23:48:30 GMT 1
Depends on which version of Galactica you're talking about. That said, I prefer the Cylons to Skynet. The Cylons tend to be more rational (though still a bit genocide-happy).
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