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Post by jklinders on Dec 16, 2012 18:16:06 GMT 1
What's not to like about what Freeman said Buch? The media does sensationalize this stuff. And you know why, because it allows them to fuck off and not work on anything for week. They lock the TV station on the one topic for several days and call in "experts" to analyze the crap out of it. then they keep the topic alive as long as possible until that cow is milked dry and there is no more milk to give and then they finally have to work again. It's practically free money for them really.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Dec 16, 2012 18:29:30 GMT 1
I think it's heartbreaking enough to read about it happening - reading the articles, just the words... but then to see pictures like that... pictures that show the poor victim before hell went down, smiling in happier times, it really hits hard.
That girl, Victoria, in that picture... she's only two years younger than me... such a pretty, happy looking girl, and now - to know that that smile will never be seen outside of photos again... it's truly devastating.
And on other articles I saw, pictures of little Emily... one of the 6 year old girls who died... her sweet little face... I'm just horrified that this could happen... and seeing the pictures hits harder than reading the words...
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Post by Mister Buch on Dec 16, 2012 18:37:43 GMT 1
What's not to like about what Freeman said Buch? Not the things you mentioned, but a few things. The gun control comment and several other things. I don't want to get into it here.
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Post by jklinders on Dec 16, 2012 18:50:47 GMT 1
That was one throw away line at the end and was barely part of what he said. Rather than "much of what he said." You confused me.
And of course I disagree.
We have had mass shootings up here too, with much stricter gun laws.
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Post by Mister Buch on Dec 16, 2012 19:40:33 GMT 1
Ther were a few things I didn't like. Not just that. Again, I don't want to go into it.
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Post by spiritwolf71 on Dec 16, 2012 20:15:34 GMT 1
MY take on all of this outcome from the shooting, starting with the Mass Effect binge was it was a knee jerk reaction to a horrible unbelievable act by a large group of people who needed somewhere to pour out emotions and vent. If anythign as Mass Effect fans, we know about that and really we can take it. Although I was embrassed by some of the Mass Effects fans reactions. It was later found to be wrong and although there were no apologies and none will ever come, Bioware actually handled it well. As far as I am concerned if someone needs to vent on me to help them deal with something that horrible, then so be it. Second of all, Love Morgan Freeman. While I do not agree about his comment about the gun law thing I di agree with most else. The huge failure in this whole thing and the epidemic across the world is the Mental Health system. I'm not good at remembering names, but the Asian guy who went on the killing spree in the University, he had asked for help but never recieved it. Are the parents to blame, well I direct you to read this: www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=falseIn my profession I see a lot of people that need help like this but never get it. The yell and scream and beg for the police to help them, but there is nothing we can do. We are bound by laws that don't alway cover the Mental Health issues or even worse we try and help and take these kids and adults to seek help but they are simply given medications and spit back out into society. People say this is a modern problem and yes it is, way back in the bad old days patients were kept behind walls and forced medication if needed to keep them calm and keep the rest of us safe (No there were several cons to this as well, kinda a double edge sword) We move on to gun laws, and yes someone has said we have had shooting up here in Canada well yes, I have seen quite a few in my time. I direct you to this www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/stop_handguns.png or this electedface.com/images/Artical_Images/statistics_image_1.jpgthe second ranks the states up with many countries that are at war. Yeah I understand right, rights and rights, however violence begets violence and as far as I am concerned it is an epidemic in the states. If that many people died of a desease they would be looking for a cure, not making the desease legal. At the end of the day we will not have all the fact and be handed a crap load of specualtion. We will all mourn and cry and look for solutions that well never come. Everyone will have their own ideas on what these solutions are. I know I have mine but niether will ever come to pass. I think first and foremost is a better Mental Health care system and second (in the States mainly) gun laws, the right to bear arms is such a small thing when these people that have these mental issues have the right to bear arms.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 17, 2012 0:14:32 GMT 1
Like Buch, I'm not going to get into it on this one. One: all of you already know what I'm going to say when it comes to gun control. Two: I really don't want to get into yet another fight with you guys.
Now here's what I will say: what do Harris, Klebold, Charles Whitman (Texas University sniper), Andrew Kehoe (blew up a school in Bath, MI: killed 45 [38 children, 2 teachers, 4 others, plus the bomber] and injured 58), Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza (dickhead in Conn), and James Holmes (Aurora asshole) all have in common? At some point in the past they'd been treated for various psychological issues.
Whitman had an inoperable brain tumor (found during his autopsy). Kehoe watched his step-mother burn to death in an accident and was known for being quick-tempered and cruel (he once beat a horse to death for disobeying him). Harris and Klebold had several run-ins with the law and agreed to undergo psychiatric treatment instead of facing time in juvie (Harris displayed all the signs of having a god-complex and Klebold may have had similar tendancies). Cho (VA Tech) had an autism-spectrum issue and had to be treated for it throughout school; the college didn't know about his issues until after he started shooting because of privacy laws. James Holmes underwent treatment for some sort of psychological issue that remains unknown due to the defense attorneys having his records sealed after they had viewed them, but before the prosecution viewed them (unethical and possible illegal in the context of a criminal court case). Finally Adam Lanza (Conn) allegedly had some variant of Asperger's (not sure how that would factor in to going batshit and killing a bunch of innocents).
The common theme is you have a bunch of people who had some form of psychological issue before they "snapped". Add in the whole "everyone's a special snowflake and you all get a trophy whether you won or not" mentality that is becoming more and more prevalent in this country where people aren't allowed to fail before getting hit in the face by the harsh reality of the world, and some people just can't cope.
Other possibilities include adverse reaction to medication. Sort of how some anti-depressants make people more inclined to commit suicide, I suppose there's a very small percentage who have the opposite reaction: like the origin of the Reavers in the Firefly universe.
Bottom line is that this is a problem with people and the road to fixing it is understanding the actual issues behind the people who do these things instead of blaming inanimate objects like video games, guns, etc.
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Post by Mister Buch on Dec 17, 2012 1:03:08 GMT 1
Blaming guns and blaming video games - I feel like those two things are not at all similar.
But... yeah, tearing myself away from this. This isn't the time or the place.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 17, 2012 1:45:59 GMT 1
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Dec 17, 2012 1:47:24 GMT 1
Blaming video games is stupid - just like blaming music like what happened when Columbine happened... Blaming guns is silly as well, since a gun is simply a tool. The guns themselves do not make the decision to kill people - the nutcases wielding the guns do. As for the shooter in Connecticut, saying that tougher gun control would have stopped him is also silly, as he was nuts and he would have just found a different weapon to use... or would have acquired the guns a different way... One cannot blame an inanimate object for making the decision to be a killer... the tragic thing is that no matter how tough the gun laws, there will always be killers who are able to circumvent the law and get what they need to commit their crimes... I saw that before - it breaks my heart, reading that... I feel so bad for the parents and families of murderers... it must be so hard for them as well...
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 17, 2012 1:50:15 GMT 1
Video games got blamed for Columbine too. Namely Doom, and Wolfenstein.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Dec 17, 2012 1:58:44 GMT 1
Plus, wasn't it the killer's brother who was a fan of Mass Effect, not the actual killer?
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Dec 17, 2012 2:16:28 GMT 1
Regardless of who it was, it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things - we all here on the forum love Mass Effect, but we are not crazy killers...
Gamers do not necessarily become real-life killers.
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Post by Battlechantress on Dec 17, 2012 6:27:22 GMT 1
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 17, 2012 7:59:10 GMT 1
Oh it gets better. The President was at a prayer service that was supposed to be a vigil for the victims. He turned around and politicized it with a speech vowing to do "all in his power to prevent tragedies like this from happening". Pretty words considering this bit of recent budgetary history... www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failureI sincerely apologize for this post, but I couldn't stay silent on this bit of extreme hypocrisy.
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