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Post by jklinders on Jun 24, 2011 0:50:59 GMT 1
Official then, agreeing to disagree.
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Post by Octo on Jun 24, 2011 1:13:27 GMT 1
Okay. It's not the thread's topic anyway, heh.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jun 24, 2011 2:28:15 GMT 1
I'm with you on this Octo. The Illusive Man is just poorly written when it comes to his motivation.
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Post by Octo on Jun 24, 2011 2:36:19 GMT 1
Oh, and speaking of Shepard origins, here is something for all Sole Survivor Shepards:
In ME 1, Admiral Hackett names the scientists Toombs is killing "former Alliance scientists" and has information about the project dates of the project on Akuze. And Admiral Kahoku's final message tells you that Cerberus went rogue "some months ago". Akuze of course is years ago, so - Akuze was an Alliance action, when Cerberus was still part of the Alliance, conducted by an Alliance science team under Cerberus authority...
(Yes. cross-posted with TVTropes forum, in case anybody is there, heh)
The Alliance committed the crime that killed SoleSurvivor!Shepard's entire unit. Yet he/she, not knowing that, fights for them... man, ME is a crapsack world at times. And it complicates matters for my fanfic...
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jun 24, 2011 2:40:21 GMT 1
That there sounds like a run-of-the-mill writing flub. It's possible those two seperate sidequests had different writers.
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Post by Octo on Jun 24, 2011 3:12:36 GMT 1
Possible. But even in the Akuze assignment itself Hackett hints at how it was an Alliance project...
Of course, it depends on whether we believe that Cerberus is an Alliance agency gone rogue, or whether it's always been independent (as ME 2 claims).
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Post by jklinders on Jun 24, 2011 3:12:48 GMT 1
Video game writing can be trippy like that. I'd disregard that. Too many cooks frequently spoil the broth. that's why there is so much wiggle room for discussions like the one we had earlier.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Jun 24, 2011 4:42:47 GMT 1
And I thought I was a geek...
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Post by jklinders on Jun 24, 2011 4:54:11 GMT 1
Don't worry, you still are...
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Post by Roman Candle on Jun 24, 2011 6:53:41 GMT 1
Got a good chuckle out of the Narnia option, so I choose that. In seriousness, I don't actually remember which one I picked for the game. Is that bad?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jun 24, 2011 10:38:27 GMT 1
Depends, if your not from Earth you are allowed not to give two shits about it.
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Post by Octo on Jun 24, 2011 13:00:34 GMT 1
It's possible. Then again, it might be subtle clues to the players for when we find out the truth behind Cerberus.
In any case, what to do about it in my fic? Simply remove the 'months ago' part, make it unclear when Cerberus went rogue? But that of course runs the risk that maybe it was indented to hint that the Alliance was involved...
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Post by jklinders on Jun 24, 2011 13:06:13 GMT 1
Well the signs are all around that Cerberus once had Alliance ties. Connections to high ranking officers, Alliance military complex and high level business and politicians pretty much all confirmed through dialogue. The real question is are they really rogue or is the terrorist designation a cover for the Alliance's deepest darkest nastiest research?
I'd like to say they are fully Alpha Protocol style rogue and had been so partly due to indoctrination. Some of these questions may even be answered in part 3.
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Post by Octo on Jun 24, 2011 13:11:36 GMT 1
Even if they are rogue, they weren't yet in 2177, when Akuze happened. According to Kahoku they only went rogue "months ago", i.e. in 2183. So, at Akuze they were an official, if top secret arm of the Alliance. Meaning, the Alliance committed Akuze.
And that's... problematic for my storyline.
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Post by jklinders on Jun 24, 2011 13:20:15 GMT 1
Even if they are rogue, they weren't yet in 2177, when Akuze happened. According to Kahoku they only went rogue "months ago", i.e. in 2183. So, at Akuze they were an official, if top secret arm of the Alliance. Meaning, the Alliance committed Akuze. And that's... problematic for my storyline. My advice, should you be interested is to make Cerberus rogue for your story. Keep your storyline intact knowing that Bioware might change their mind again. Admiral Kahoku was a throwaway character in ME 1 and likely had his dialogue written by a flunkie. Toss in that Bioware pulled a full retcon on Cerberus for ME 2 making them privately funded and run. I've seen so many fan theories on these guys that it probably even puts Twilight message boards to shame. In other words all signs point to Bioware not having a clue what Cerberus was in ME 1, they do now so the newer info should be taken. Top secret shadow ops usually don't advertize in the way TIM did in the ME 2 codex. So it looks a lot like Bioware retconned it and Kahoku's lines can be disregarded as written incorrectly or maybe he just jumped to conclusions based on the fragmented info he got. The second could be really interesting as a plotline discovery. The first makes it easier for you.
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