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Post by jklinders on Apr 24, 2012 14:32:17 GMT 1
My memory might be selective right now, but I thought ME3 was actively showing some restraint when portraying the asari this time around. Not completely! But BioWare showed them in more roles than just dancers and bra-less justicars. Specifically military roles. All that over-sexualization fell away during the Thessia section of the game, I thought. They're still the Mass Effect equivalent of the Twi'leks, though. xD Unfortunately they kinda went even deeper into Mary Sue territory though. They are universally attractive, popular, loved by all magic/warrior/knight/sorceresses with really long lifespans that only get more attractive as they age and they can fight as well as any man...I'll just bet that if I ran the asari race through a Mary Sue checklist the damnable thing would break. I mean hell, they were like, we don't need physical barriers, we have force fields. Gad, I'm sorry, they just kinda got under my skin for reasons already outlined since nearly day one. As for the krogan, I get your point there Buch really. I don't 100% agree though. There are plenty of hints even before Eve takes over that the female clans have a lot of influence. That influence is geared for reasons of survival primarily finding the right clans to ally with for protection and influence. There are sign all over the place on Tuchanka that point to the Krogan not dealing well with technological advancement which upset their balance of life. Even before the Salarians got in (they made it worse). It'll take some time but between Wrex and Eve they got a shot at having the right balance. If Wreav takes over however... in that instance the only paragon thing to do would be to sabotage the Genophage cure. Harsh I know but that buttface would start another Krogan rebellion and I cannot abide by an outcome like that. Edit: I actually found a litmus test for racesIt's great fun really
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Post by Mr. Glow on Apr 24, 2012 16:34:51 GMT 1
I actually found a litmus test for racesIt's great fun really I just ran the Asari through that and, trying to remain impartial, they got a 9, which is in the Not-a-Sue category, but skirting the border of Suedom. There were a few things I wasn't sure about, like whether they make good parents. Benezia is implied to have been pretty distant even before she got indocrinated, right? I'm sure the Codex says Asari Matriarchs are so smart that they can see good business deals coming from decades away. Which is either hyperbole or complete Mary Sue bullshit.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 24, 2012 21:10:54 GMT 1
I was much harsher than needed apparently and got a 23
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Post by Mr. Glow on Apr 24, 2012 22:04:09 GMT 1
I was much harsher than needed apparently and got a 23 /I suppose that goes to show just how open to interpretation these things are. I wasn't quite being impartial, either. I was actually pretty forgiving and the "real" number is probably a bit higher. Unrelated, but it really annoys me that the second the Reapers arrive, scientists on Mars discover the super-duper Reaper killer device plans. That is Deus Ex Machina writing to the max.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 24, 2012 22:08:51 GMT 1
I was much harsher than needed apparently and got a 23 /I suppose that goes to show just how open to interpretation these things are. I wasn't quite being impartial, either. I was actually pretty forgiving and the "real" number is probably a bit higher. Unrelated, but it really annoys me that the second the Reapers arrive, scientists on Mars discover the super-duper Reaper killer device plans. That is Deus Ex Machina writing to the max. Maybe it had a "do not open until reaper invasion" tag on it? I would have mentioned it too, but seemed pretty obvious it was a result of the writers having no clue how to get out of this corner they painted themselves into. The Thessia beacon was worse. The damn thing was right there, right...there...and they never used it...
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Apr 26, 2012 17:40:57 GMT 1
Just one other question...
Why the Salerian Homeworld is intacted in ME3? In my opinion, between the Salerians and the Asari, I think the salerians were more of a threat in the sense they have the skills to create tech to counter them and they are known to be extremely pragmatic in warfare.
What does the asari has? Some big ass ship like the DA and puny commandos that only good with hit and run tactics, but not good enough to hold the line on Thessia. Even the codex say that the asari commandos are only at their strengh when they fought off opponants individially, but doesn't have the front line endurance as the turians or the krogan.
So yeah, how did the salerians managed to leave out of the Reaper crisis unscathed?
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Post by jklinders on Apr 27, 2012 1:48:40 GMT 1
I'd say that of the council races the Salarians were the least able to stand up in a full out fight. Weakest physically, one of the smaller fleets and Harbinger probably reasoned they were teh most likely to stand apart. It looked to me like the reapers made their priorities in the right order. Turian, Human then asari, lastly Salarians.
The Salarians have the crappiest war assets of all the allies too. The type of warfare they engage in is completely useless against reapers. They like to win a war before it starts. Such sneaky opening tactics were pointless against the reapers.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Apr 29, 2012 16:12:52 GMT 1
Today's confusion.
Saren's hatred on humanity. From what I have read about ME: Revelations on the wiki, the reason why Saren shows a lot of distain with the human race is due to his brother's death in the First Contact War. Fair enough, I suppose. however a few years later, an ME comic that is known as ME: Evolution debunked that feudrian excuse that Saren has.
Turns out his brother died not in the First Contact War nor in the hands of a human. Instead he was drunk with power and tried to turn the whole turian race into mindless husk, mistakenly thinking it will accend their race into the next evolution stage. Of course he got indoctinated and Saren had to pull a mercy kill on his brother.
Now that's when I'm confused. Why he hate humans in the first place? From what I've read the comics (Yes I have them... it's prirated, though), he probably hates them because he's feeling sore from the war, just really hates them, I don't really know. Unless I'm missing something from revelations, this whole reason why Saren hates humans seemed... unclear.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 29, 2012 16:51:06 GMT 1
You probably know better than me, but I'll take a crack.
The Turians function in their hierarchy with the idea that everyone must earn their place and put the needs of others before themselves. Humanity seems to function in a more capitalist and less merit based way. Remember the Turians earned their place in Citadel society through blood and warfare with the Krogan. Humanity demanded a council seat before they even had an embassy. Before the battle of the Citadel humanity was regarded as reckless upstarts by most races and most especially the Turians.
My guess is that Saren was simply more racist than most of them.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Apr 29, 2012 23:41:19 GMT 1
Liara more or less making absolutely no effort to conceal her identity as the Shadow Broker really annoys me.
I know there's a war on, but it's the Mass Effect equivalent of Keyser Soze walking around with a nametag on.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 30, 2012 0:00:03 GMT 1
Liara more or less making absolutely no effort to conceal her identity as the Shadow Broker really annoys me. I know there's a war on, but it's the Mass Effect equivalent of Keyser Soze walking around with a nametag on. The none too subtle wink and nod Wrex gives Liara on Sur'kesh is especially hilarious. It's a wonder the entire Salarian Union wasn't breathing down Liara's neck after that.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Apr 30, 2012 0:36:38 GMT 1
You probably know better than me, but I'll take a crack. Honestly, even with my extensive understanding of the turian lore, I still couldn't figure that out when it comes to Saren. Maybe he was that unstable to the point I sometimes wondered if he still has for the turians and specifically, the Hierarchy. I could suppose to take that as the case. I agree about Liara as the SB out in the open is mind bogging.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on May 6, 2012 12:58:36 GMT 1
Just a quick pondering.
How do turians sleep at nights, with their long fringes and spurs sticking out?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on May 6, 2012 14:12:39 GMT 1
I think they use beds to since Femshep says to Garrus she woke up next to him during his Citadel quest in ME3.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on May 6, 2012 16:38:13 GMT 1
I suppose so, still it looks uncomfortable for a turian. Unless of course they sleep face down. Maybe that's how they do it I think.
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