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Post by Knightfall on Apr 21, 2012 21:30:10 GMT 1
Yeah, that Traynor, man! Imagine if there had been an option to boot her off the ship early on.
As an aside, I do want to say that I don't like how heavily the story of ME3 leaned on DLC. There was no reason for it. If you don't play Arrival, Shepard's imprisonment in the beginning is not explained at all. It might have been because he joined up with Cerberus in ME2, but they don't explicitly say that, I think.
Secondly, how Liara is suddenly the Shadow Broker if you didn't play that DLC. She gives one exposition-heavy line that details how she became the Shadow Broker, and goes back to doing her thing. That bugged the crap out of me. She became the Shadow Broker in the DLC largely thanks to Shepard's assistance. If you don't play the DLC, you didn't help her with the Shadow Broker. If you didn't help her with the Shadow Broker, how did she...?
I don't know about that. They handled little references to Overlord and Stolen Memory to my satisfaction, but for main plot points in the game to be so dependent on optional stories in ME2... Eh, that's a little bogus to me.
Kai Leng, too. If you haven't read the books (I haven't), he comes off as insanely stereotypical. It's cool that they did some fan service there, but I don't like how BioWare "bashed" Alpha Protocol for locking players out of content, while they themselves were locking players out of content.
The difference being Obsidian didn't charge people for that extra content, you just played the game again.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 21, 2012 21:40:25 GMT 1
The DLC thing wasn't as bad really. The whole detention thing was the worst of it I think. Easily passed off as Cerberus involvement. They are a criminal quasi terrorist organization. Working for them would be a court marshall for anyone other than Shep.
Liara found a different way to defeat the Shadow Broker without your help. Feron dies though I think.You also lose out on a minimum of about 500-750 war assets without it. But none of it is really game breaking or needed.
Kai Leng should not have been in the game period. Boss battles are so 1989 and the biz would be better off without the damnable things. Plot Armour as strong as he had has no business in a game where the story is as important as it is in ME. Like I said, I was like "shoot the bastard" on the Citadel. My infiltrator SHep can part the hair of a Maurader at 200 m but he can't gun that twat down at 10 feet? Yeah right. thought so.
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Post by Knightfall on Apr 21, 2012 22:22:29 GMT 1
I don't knoooow. My memory of ME2 is a bit hazy at this point, but I can't see Cerberus involvement alone being a sufficient reason for being stripped of rank and imprisoned. Shepard was still allowed to walk around the Citadel freely, meet with the human councilor (Anderson and Udina), and even take missions from Admiral Hackett. You saw how easily Shepard was reinstated on Earth. If he had such friends in high places with that kind of power (friends who actually believed him), why couldn't they have just thrown the case out?
Now, Shepard committing genocide? That's a paddlin'. I bet even The Illusive Man was like, "Holy shit, I can't believe he actually did that!"
And if you never played Arrival, does that still mean Shepard destroyed the Alpha Relay? If the events of Lair of the Shadow Broker can still happen without you, can the events of Arrival do the same?
Headache.
And I agree about Kai Leng, though I got a kick out of his over-the-top-ness during the aircar fight in the Citadel. Everything else, though... He was such a cliche he affected the plot in the same way. >.<
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Post by jklinders on Apr 21, 2012 22:32:14 GMT 1
I don't knoooow. My memory of ME2 is a bit hazy at this point, but I can't see Cerberus involvement alone being a sufficient reason for being stripped of rank and imprisoned. Shepard was still allowed to walk around the Citadel freely, meet with the human councilor (Anderson and Udina), and even take missions from Admiral Hackett. You saw how easily Shepard was reinstated on Earth. If he had such friends in high places with that kind of power (friends who actually believed him), why couldn't they have just thrown the case out? Now, Shepard committing genocide? That's a paddlin'. I bet even The Illusive Man was like, "Holy shit, I can't believe he actually did that!" And if you never played Arrival, does that still mean Shepard destroyed the Alpha Relay? If the events of Lair of the Shadow Broker can still happen without you, can the events of Arrival do the same? Headache. And I agree about Kai Leng, though I got a kick out of his over-the-top-ness during the aircar fight in the Citadel. Everything else, though... He was such a cliche he affected the plot in the same way. >.< Depends on what was going on under the hood. If we accept that TIM let slip through Alliance channels that Shep was working for him then it makes sense to let a KNOWN conspirator walk around and see if the little fish helps net larger prey. This is the same reasoning I was able to use regarding the council. All are watching him like a hawk hoping that he will drop the scraps of intel they were looking for. Alas, Shep was telling the truth about his connection to TIM all along so they got nothing while TIM's real agents were...apparently putting in the groundwork for building an unstoppable...fleet?
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Post by Mr. Glow on Apr 21, 2012 22:35:06 GMT 1
And if you never played Arrival, does that still mean Shepard destroyed the Alpha Relay? If the events of Lair of the Shadow Broker can still happen without you, can the events of Arrival do the same? If you didn't play Arrival, basically a few teams of Alliance commandos were dispatched to rescue Kenson and eventually decided that blowing up the relay was the only way to stop the Reapers. One of your Alliance War Assets is weaker to reflect the lost people or something.
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Post by Knightfall on Apr 21, 2012 22:40:46 GMT 1
But! That defeats the whole purpose of Shepard going alone in the DLC. And wouldn't the commandos just get indoctrinated? I think the only thing that saved Shepard was was his exposure to the Prothean beacon. =O
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 21, 2012 22:46:22 GMT 1
You dont care enough about our lore so you dont buy the dlc? Well FUCK YOU SUNSHINe, taking away your war assets!
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Post by jklinders on Apr 21, 2012 22:48:19 GMT 1
But! That defeats the whole purpose of Shepard going alone in the DLC. And wouldn't the commandos just get indoctrinated? I think the only thing that saved Shepard was was his exposure to the Prothean beacon. =O That's why Shepard was able to take the place of an entire DIVISION of troops. Having the Normandy doesn't hurt either.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 21, 2012 22:51:28 GMT 1
Why do I get the feeling shepard is like the fucking Terminator?
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Post by Knightfall on Apr 21, 2012 22:51:35 GMT 1
But! That defeats the whole purpose of Shepard going alone in the DLC. And wouldn't the commandos just get indoctrinated? I think the only thing that saved Shepard was was his exposure to the Prothean beacon. =O That's why Shepard was able to take the place of an entire DIVISION of troops. Having the Normandy doesn't hurt either.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Apr 22, 2012 14:59:40 GMT 1
Well Crap about the Arrivial ELC. The next time if I play ME2, I'll won't finish that quest, since I don't want to rail road my Shepard as an idiot, which is bad enough in ME3.
Today's question I had with the lore flubs:
So Aria knows this asari councilour enough that she can get a asylum pass in a hitch, right? My question is that how on earth Aria managed to get that much influance? Secondly, would that make that asari council member corrupted in a sense.
You decide?
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Post by jklinders on Apr 22, 2012 15:02:56 GMT 1
Well Crap about the Arrivial ELC. The next time if I play ME2, I'll won't finish that quest, since I don't want to rail road my Shepard as an idiot, which is bad enough in ME3. Today's question I had with the lore flubs: So Aria knows this asari councilour enough that she can get a asylum pass in a hitch, right? My question is that how on earth Aria managed to get that much influance? Secondly, would that make that asari council member corrupted in a sense. You decide? I call that Aria's bad writing Mary Sue moment. Maybe Aria could have used that pull for something useful like getting the Asari off their blue asses. Maybe Aria is her sister or the counsellor was using her as a source of Red Sand. And yes, that makes the counselor corrupted and not just in a sense. Can ya tell i hate Aria nearly as much as I hate Liara?
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Apr 22, 2012 15:04:52 GMT 1
Well Crap about the Arrivial ELC. The next time if I play ME2, I'll won't finish that quest, since I don't want to rail road my Shepard as an idiot, which is bad enough in ME3. Today's question I had with the lore flubs: So Aria knows this asari councilour enough that she can get a asylum pass in a hitch, right? My question is that how on earth Aria managed to get that much influance? Secondly, would that make that asari council member corrupted in a sense. You decide? I call that Aria's bad writing Mary Sue moment. Maybe Aria could have used that pull for something useful like getting the Asari off their blue asses. Maybe Aria is her sister or the counsellor was using her as a source of Red Sand. And yes, that makes the counselor corrupted and not just in a sense. Can ya tell i hate Aria nearly as much as I hate Liara? Nah, it's not just Aria and Liara. I get the feeling you're not a fan of the asari race as a whole. Oh and remember how the salerians were regreting for uplifting the krogan and were determined not to let Shepard undo the genophage? Fair enough, I understand that they want to play safe when it comes to sci- Wait? What was that in the STG labs? Is that a yarg? Are they planning to uplift their species? ... Not versed in history much, Salerian Union?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 22, 2012 15:12:46 GMT 1
Yarg are 21st century based species though right? So why is he caged like an enraged Wookie? Think i answered my own question there.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 22, 2012 15:19:33 GMT 1
I call that Aria's bad writing Mary Sue moment. Maybe Aria could have used that pull for something useful like getting the Asari off their blue asses. Maybe Aria is her sister or the counsellor was using her as a source of Red Sand. And yes, that makes the counselor corrupted and not just in a sense. Can ya tell i hate Aria nearly as much as I hate Liara? Nah, it's not just Aria and Liara. I get the feeling you're not a fan of the asari race as a whole. Oh and remember how the salerians were regreting for uplifting the krogan and were determined not to let Shepard undo the genophage? Fair enough, I understand that they want to play safe when it comes to sci- Wait? What was that in the STG labs? Is that a yarg? Are they planning to uplift their species? ... Not versed in history much, Salerian Union? Not all Asari, just the ones that that disconnected from rea- *sigh* never mind. I facepalmed hard at the presence of the Yarg. Just one more reason I wanted to mount the Dalatrass on the front of the Normandy as a hood ornament. Even Lily who doesn't know the lore at all wanted to slap that lizard across the room.
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