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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 10, 2013 15:05:37 GMT 1
Aegon aka Young Griff?
He is Jon's half brother.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 10, 2013 18:00:30 GMT 1
I'm confused. Didn't the mad king have 4 children? And Gregor Clegane was supposed to have murdered 2. We now know that the boy was spared. And Viserys and Danerys were exiled. So how does Jon Snow fit in?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 10, 2013 19:22:05 GMT 1
Jon Snow is Rheagar's son with Lyanna Stark.
So Danny is Jon's Aunt because Rheagar was Aerys' eldest son, with Viserys and Danny being his other kids.
Rheagar's wife and two children ( his daughter and Aegon) were killed by Gregor Clegane but accoridng to A Dance of Dragons, the baby Gregor killed wasnt Aegon and was spirited away by a friend of Rheagar and raised him as his son until it was time to return to Westeros, hence Young Griff.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 10, 2013 20:24:01 GMT 1
Oh dear. So why'd he get killed off before we knew this???
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 10, 2013 21:31:51 GMT 1
I dunno, if there is one thing i know is that Priests/Priestesses of the Red God are good at rezzing folks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 23:26:02 GMT 1
There is a lot of fan speculation about Jon Snow being the secret child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark; I am also a believer in this point...
I think it is probable, and makes sense regarding Lyanna's dying words: "Promise me, Ned...", which Ned neither confirms nor denies before his own death in the first book... and Ned's steadfast refusal to talk about the woman he supposedly 'fathered' Jon Snow on; he names her as Wylla, but that might have been the lie he told to Robert and might not have any truth to it. Considering that Ned's sense of honor and his devotion to his sister might have led him to claim her son as his own to protect the baby from King Robert's wrath and unwavering hatred of all Targaryens... this does make a lot of sense.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 10, 2013 23:32:49 GMT 1
I think in the seires where Robert and Ned have a talk about Wylla, it shows Ned being very uncomfortable talking about it. So yeah, another point to the Rhaegar/Lyanna team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 1:02:14 GMT 1
Also, the fact that Ned's sense of honor would never have let him cheat on Catelyn, that goes against everything he stands for - and considering that his over-inflated sense of honor led to his death, and the only reason he broke his honor and 'confessed' to Joffrey and Cersei's lies was to protect his daughters - and he didn't even think of the girls until Varys came right out and said that Sansa and Arya would be endangered if he continues the same path...
With a rock-hard sense of honor like that, why would he cheat on his wife?
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 11, 2013 5:17:22 GMT 1
So what did sister of the sunshine knight Ashara Dane or what's her face have to do with it.
and Man, Robert sucked at rebelling. Targaryens everywhere!
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 11, 2013 10:01:42 GMT 1
Lady Dane, not quite sure.
There is some speculation Brandon, Ned's older brother, knocked her up or something.
And TBH there are only four targaryens we know off.
Danny and her brother ( Who is dead now so scratch one), Young Griff ( who may or may not be a Targaryen but i think he is) and Aemon...who is also dead. So basiacly we just got two Targaryens. Then again we also got House Blackfyre who still got more claim to the Iron Throne then the Baratheons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 10:41:46 GMT 1
Wasn't Ashara Dayne the one who killed herself around the time Jon Snow was born?
If I recall correctly, Ser Barristan Selmy had feelings for Ashara Dayne and according to Selmy, Ashara's child was a stillborn daughter and it was speculated that her suicide was triggered by grief over her daughter's death and then her brother's death during Robert's Rebellion.
As for the Targaryens, Young Griff is actually Prince Aegon (most likely) - as according to what was told to Tyrion regarding how the boy survived the sack of King's Landing, baby Aegon was replaced by a child who had been born to a tanner in Pisswater Bend, and whose mother died birthing him... the tanner sold the baby to Varys for a jug of wine, and Varys gave the child to Elia Martell and hid the real Prince Aegon away and later smuggled him out of the city. So when Gregor Clegane and his cohorts went to kill Elia and her children, they managed to get Elia and the little princess, but they got a different boy than Aegon.
As for who has the most claim to the throne, is it not true that the one who has the most claim is the one who can hold it longest? And if it really is inheritable, then who's to say the family that held it before the Targaryen Kings aren't eligible? Where does the inheritance stop and a new family take over, according to the inheritance option? I figure whoever can take and hold the throne would be the rightful ruler...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 11, 2013 10:47:23 GMT 1
Last time it was dragons, now....WAR ELEPHANTS!
It's going to be so hype!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 0:04:20 GMT 1
This is hilarious! I had no idea Joffrey Baratheon was in Batman Begins...  |
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 12, 2013 9:38:26 GMT 1
I did!
Also Osha was in Harry Potter...but then again so is half the cast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 10:16:03 GMT 1
I just wonder what a crossover would be like if The Batman came to Westeros to defend the Seven Kingdoms from Joffrey?  As for Osha being Tonks, I knew that as soon as I found out she was cast as Osha... I saw the headline "Natalia Tena as Osha in GoT" and I thought Oh, damn! That's be awesome... she was great as Tonks! |
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