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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Sept 12, 2012 11:20:33 GMT 1
The Geth and EDI can be rebuild in time, besides you get your happily ever after with your Love interest that way. Well in my head cannon anyway. Symthesis just plain sucks though, it goes against everything the series stood for. I can see why you like Control though Lily, however i dont think ANYONE would allow the Reapers to help them rebuild. In fact i would be the first guy to shoot a nuke at the first bastard i saw.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Sept 12, 2012 11:53:52 GMT 1
And yet the Quarians allowed the Geth to help them rebuild? The Geth did to the Quarians what the Reapers tried to do to the entire galaxy - just on an arguably smaller scale... And I really don't know what I saw in that cutscene, but it really looked like a Reaper helping with the rebuilding... Also, in Shepard's Control Monologue, she even says "The woman I was knew that she could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the many have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as guardian for the many. And throughout all, I will never forget." So - that made me wonder about the Reapers helping to rebuild. I don't know, just a thought. Edit: Also, I found this at the Mass Effect Answers Wiki: (Bolding and Italicizing done by me) "Consequences: Control Edit Shepard dies, and an entity that holds their personality and memory is created to control the Reapers, merging with their collective intelligence, the Catalyst. It claims to be guided by Shepard's thoughts freed by their death, and declares its purpose to give the people of the galaxy hope for the future. It chooses to integrate the Reapers with the galactic civilization, rebuilding the relay network and all damages caused by the war, sustaining and protecting against potential threats. A reasonable assumption would be that the galaxy is being reigned back into the pattern of development imposed by the Reapers prior to the war, the pattern that limits their potential for diverse development, the protection against potential threats limiting the potential for growth through trial. However, the Shepard-Catalyst states that it "will create a future of limitless possibilities", which once again, leaves this outcome very ambiguous and open-ended. There is no definite direction it would take." Oh - and I found this video on YouTube: this is not my playthrough; this is done by someone else who chose the Control option. In this video, the scenes I refer to are at 8:32, 8:47 and 8:54. The three scenes show, respectively: 1: A Reaper assisting the Geth (after the Geth's unification on the side of the Quarians). 2: Three Reapers helping to rebuild what will eventually become the new London. 3: A Fleet of Reapers protecting the repaired and rebuilt Citadel. This is the reason for my thoughts about the Reaper Assistance with the Rebuilding.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Sept 12, 2012 12:11:08 GMT 1
Eh, the Geth would've been cool with it. They're nice guys.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Sept 12, 2012 12:13:52 GMT 1
My point is that with a Paragon Shepard in control as Boss Reaper, the Reapers would obey her (as the little StarBrat stated in 'his' description of the choices), and if Shepard / Boss Reaper orders the Reaper forces to help rebuild, then help rebuild they will indeed.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Sept 12, 2012 12:54:12 GMT 1
I honestly hate the Control ending most of all, especially after the Extended Cut removed some of the more horrific implications. It just seems really stupid for it to turn out that Saren and The Illusive Man were right all along.
Also, I can't help but feel your perspective on the ending is a little skewed from never having played the massively rage inducing ending that's in the vanilla game.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Sept 12, 2012 13:16:01 GMT 1
I honestly hate the Control ending most of all, especially after the Extended Cut removed some of the more horrific implications. It just seems really stupid for it to turn out that Saren and The Illusive Man were right all along. Also, I can't help but feel your perspective on the ending is a little skewed from never having played the massively rage inducing ending that's in the vanilla game. First of all, Saren and The Illusive Man were not right all along - they wanted Control because they were power-hungry assholes, and they would have abused it and ended up destroying everything in their mad quest for power. They completely missed the point and misunderstood the goal. Having Shepard (especially Paragon Shepard) as Boss Reaper would at least stop the Reapers from being omnicidal destroyers; instead it shows hope for a better future without the threat of mass murdering Reapers coming to kill everyone in the galaxy. Secondly, the point about my not having played the original ending? True that I have not played it - but that does not mean I have not seen it. After all, I do live with Linders - and he played the original ending before the Extended Cut came out. So did my best friend. I have also watched YouTube videos of the original cut, because I was curious about what the Extended Cut added - and all the Extended Cut did was add clarification to the missing points from the original cut. Yes, the original cut needed clarification - but I don't see the rage-inducing aspect of it. Though to be fair, I can understand how people who've played the games since they first came out and spent five years invested in the series would be upset - and granted, I did only just start playing the games in April of this year when Linders bought me my own copy of the first two games. Maybe that does make me less qualified to say I liked the ending? *sarcasm here*I was not completely in the dark here when I said I liked the ending, Mr. Glow - I might not have played the original, but I have seen it and I know how it ran. And I still love the ME3 endings. Just not the Refusal one. ;D And I have not yet played the Synthesis one. By the way, just to clarify, the Mass Effect Trilogy are video games. No matter how hard or how long the developers work on it, they will never be able to satisfy all of the fans at the same time. Simply put, there are just too many fans with differing opinions and personalities, so not all of them will ever be happy with any ending put forth. Just like with any story / movie / TV show / video game series. I actually find it amazing that there were so many differing choices throughout the entire game - I'd never heard of a game where the Player's choice in dialogue would actually affect the gameplay and the NPCs' attitudes toward the Player, and where there are different endings depending on choice. Most games have an "All Roads Lead to Rome" aspect - where no matter what you do, it always ends the same way.
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Post by Mister Buch on Sept 12, 2012 14:17:45 GMT 1
1) Glow - might I suggest that your opinion is the one that' skewed, by having played the first ending?
2) Saren and Illusive Man were NOT right all along. But neither was Anderson. That was the point of that scene. It flips around the paragon and renegade attitudes, so that shooting the monsters becomes cruel and playing God becomes self-sacrificing. Saren and Illusive Man were indoctrinated from the start, and thus they could never have beaten the Reapers by any means. whatever their goal may have been at firat contact, in game Saren's goal was to open the Citadel Relay and let the Reapers in because they said so, and TIM's was to attempt to reach the control centre without any help and to control the Reapers (and probably to use them to subjugate all non-human races and/or make more Reapers out of them), which he had zero chance of accomplishing thanks to being indoctrinated. What's right is to build the Crucible and unite all sentient races through the galaxy and history in one effort to reach that control room. And then on the final decision - every call is right, depending on your views.
3) Paragon is my favourite too. I thought it was damn smart to suddenly see the Reapers in another light at the last moment. It's not perfect though - I feel a little odd about the genetic material inside them being from past races. And I sure hope the Shep God deactivates the bloody husks.
4) Hey. HEY. I like refusal. I think it's nice. Kind of a hardline super-sacrifice ending. It does end happily, in its way, and does mean that the Reapers are completely destroyed thanks to Shepard. Just at the greatest possible sacrifice - throw away everything you worked for to save the most important thing - your humanity. I love that.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Sept 12, 2012 15:24:23 GMT 1
Well, i get your point with the Geth and the quarians..except,well the geth didnt hunt the quarians down and the quarians themselves were the reason why that war lasted for so long. The Reapers need to be destroyed because they are made of billions of people who were kidnapped and liquified and put inside a shell. Call it human nature, but i want to let those people rest in peace.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Sept 12, 2012 15:26:31 GMT 1
Hear, hear! The fact that the people who got made into husks continue living (and possibly even became sentient) in the Synthesis ending is also one of the many, many creepy things about it.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Sept 12, 2012 15:36:48 GMT 1
Then again I do see the appeal of Control, being a God who looks over his/her friends and the galaxy. Kinda like Populous.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Sept 12, 2012 18:39:42 GMT 1
Synthesis creeped me out. Refusal was sad. Destroy let something survive in the rubble, which I'm very curious about. Control was my favorite, but I'm just one lab accident away from being a supervillain.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Sept 12, 2012 18:42:50 GMT 1
Well hello there, Sheldon Cooper! I didn't know you were a member of this forum! ;D
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Post by Mister Buch on Sept 12, 2012 21:28:54 GMT 1
For me the appeal of 'Control' is in self-sacrifice. Shepard is exhausted, has finally finished doing her duty and wants sit downn until either she wakes up in a hospital bed with her love interest or dies with her parent figure. Control is the most responnsible of the four choices (except Synthesis which I agree was unintentionally creepy and thus inviable) and so by choosing it she remains a 'commander' forever. It symbolises her being 'married to the military'. She chooses to neither die nor retire from her adventures, and instead just keep saving / protecting the galaxy forever. I love that.
Destroy is great too. It's the perfect summation of everything that's good and bad about the renegade path. She kills the bad guys, punishes them for what they've done and permanently puts an end to it, proving the value of her people over her enemies -- and sacrificing 'civilians' (EDI, geth) just to make sure the bad guy is dead. It's tough, but it's what must be done. And Shep survives, even - which is good. It's sacrificing others rather than herself, which fits, again. It's a mirror of Torfan, or many other renegade calls. The greater good.
Synthesis - I can see what they were going for, but they went too far with it and failed to ground it in reality, sadly. Kind of botched. A less dramtic... and less invasive..... event along the same lines would have been just fine.
I may have already told you guys my opinions on this, huh. xD
It's just that I love this game, including the end, and it frustrates me so much when I see people not liking it, or not 'getting it' as it appears to me. For example, Glow - I really didn't care for Alan Wake, largely because of the ending. Hopefully you know what I mean about the frustration!
Maybe a better example - imagine if everyone hated Star Wars because of the moment where Leia mentions that they're being tracked and yet they still fly straight to their hidden base. You'd be like - "What's wrong with you all, it's Star Wars, it was incredible!" I feel like that, about Mass Effect 3.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Sept 13, 2012 5:43:37 GMT 1
Lily - Love that character.
Buch - Don't forget the whole "Planet-destroying-space-station-that-has-to-wait-for-the-moon-to-revolve-to-vaporize-the-rebel-base" issue.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Sept 13, 2012 15:18:23 GMT 1
Or the emperor blowing up some Mon Calamari cruisers instead of Endor. Or Darth Vader having to tell Boba Fett not to disentigrate Han Solo.
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