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Post by Mister Buch on Apr 8, 2012 19:23:55 GMT 1
I hadn't considered the possibility of a replacement for the Relays.
The purpose of destroying them to the plot was just to 'kill' the Catalyst and his cycle, so I see no reason why they shouldn't be replaced. Hope so. But we'll have to wait and see...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 8, 2012 20:23:34 GMT 1
There was some twitter feed which said there wouldnt be any starving and the mass relays would be replaced soooooo...
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Post by vincentsoulshift on Apr 9, 2012 4:23:15 GMT 1
Little late adding my two cents in but, in no way did they EVER confirm this DLC to be free, the ONLY FREE thing in question is just the Multiplayer DLC they're adding on the 10th.....that's it. It just HAPPENED to be in the same discussion. Sorry. And I'm free to say I uninstalled Origin, uninstalled ME3, saved the soundtrack and extra lil pieces I got. But, I'm done.
I have NO INTENTION of playing this series anymore....from the 1st to the last, cuz there is simply. No. Point.
They destroyed ANY replay value this series had.
And what angers me and my lady the most, is with the Indoctrination Theory, when we pulled our resources together, we practcially HANDED them, on a SILVER PLATTER, a "Get out of Jail FREE" Card. Me and several hundreds of THOUSANDS, we're ready to give them the credit. But, no. They said with a BIG MIDDLE finger in our faces, "No, the ending stays! Thanks for your money!" : D
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Post by Mister Buch on Apr 9, 2012 4:30:24 GMT 1
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Post by jklinders on Apr 9, 2012 9:58:18 GMT 1
Yeah, Buch has the right of it there. And IT has nearly as many holes in it as the current ending. Being filled as it is with a lot of speculation and wishful thinking. A dozen videos on the internet doesn't make most of the ideas presented any less of a stretch.
You have other legitimate reasons to be very angry at BiowEAr. But it is not our job to do their job and i will wait and see what comes from the free DLC they will release this summer before I decide just how big what finger they are waving at us is.
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Post by Knightfall on Apr 9, 2012 10:36:57 GMT 1
I was looking over the responses BioWare gave at their ME3 panel at PAX. I'll try to link the article when I find it, but I thought it was kinda funny how they brought up the "Extended Cut", and one of the questions was, "Well, why wasn't all of this stuff included with the main game?" Their explanation, and I'm paraphrasing here, was that they didn't think there was a demand for it.
I gotta find that article again, I couldn't believe that. xD
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Post by jklinders on Apr 9, 2012 10:43:53 GMT 1
Well this is where a closed Beta would have been a good idea. But they were so hellbent on keeping a lid tightly shut on the game that a Beta was impossible. Sometimes you really do need that distance from your project that an outside perspective gives.
I can easily believe how someone from inside the writing process could think it was perfectly clear. Even with it being as obfuscatingly weird as it was, because they were deeply involved from step one, probably told to trim crap for time, and never consulted any outside source.
I'm still a little ticked at the lack of closure or explanation and the whole pick a colour shtick. But really i can get over it if they will just explain where the fuck they were coming from.
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Post by Knightfall on Apr 9, 2012 11:24:55 GMT 1
I'm still a little ticked at the lack of closure or explanation and the whole pick a colour shtick. But really i can get over it if they will just explain where the fuck they were coming from. That's pretty much my stance, word for word. =D The fact that they can repeat ad infinitum that they stand by their artists' vision, and then don't discuss the absurdities of the ending is migraine-inducing. I already have to sit through the US Presidential Elections, so I'm nearing BS overload, methinks! xD
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 9, 2012 15:20:47 GMT 1
Americans are generally less accepting of BS (or at least the one ones who are into gaming are). Years of bad experience would be my guess.
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Post by Cikarian on Apr 12, 2012 17:22:43 GMT 1
I... heh. I'm not really sure how I feel about this, or more accurately, how to express how I feel about it. I want to believe in Bioware's ability to make things right; I do. I want to envision an ending that's reminiscent of Bethesda's weigh-ins on the Fallout series, that touches base with everything I cared to know about and then some with regard to how my choices shaped the galaxy. But then again, I also did believe that it would be right the first time... and got my teeth kicked in by what I can only describe as the illegitimate lovechild of the Anti-Spirals and the Architect from the Matrix trilogy. I have to admit that my faith has been shaken, and deeply.
As for the "artistic integrity" argument, a very large part of me wants to shout in response, "What about the artistic integrity of the whole trilogy?" I'm not one for abrogating creative vision, but when you're working on a scale this many parts in the making, every step must be measured in relation to the whole- and I feel that the ending was a major misstep, when compared to the rest of the series.
Note to self, don't get on forum when severely tired >.> Ranting ensues.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 12, 2012 17:26:06 GMT 1
Just retcon the last ten minutes and put some stilt pictures with writing on them a la DA;O, DONE.
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Post by Cikarian on Apr 12, 2012 17:33:28 GMT 1
Tempting, tempting. Or I could just finish writing my headcanon fic... probably should get back to that...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 12, 2012 17:35:16 GMT 1
You do that.
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Post by jklinders on Apr 12, 2012 18:58:33 GMT 1
Well I have a hard time buying the whole artistic integrity argument for one fundamental reason. At it's heart, art is a form of communication between the artist and the viewer. If the vast majority of the intended audience for the art misses the point that the artist was trying to make then the failure cannot be on the part of the audience. It is the artist's job to communicate their message in a way that can be understood.
If a majority doesn't get it, then the artist failed, not the audience. Full stop. With a period at the end.
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Post by herrwozzeck on Apr 12, 2012 22:52:49 GMT 1
Well I have a hard time buying the whole artistic integrity argument for one fundamental reason. At it's heart, art is a form of communication between the artist and the viewer. If the vast majority of the intended audience for the art misses the point that the artist was trying to make then the failure cannot be on the part of the audience. It is the artist's job to communicate their message in a way that can be understood. If a majority doesn't get it, then the artist failed, not the audience. Full stop. With a period at the end. As someone who's dealt with a lot of pretentious new music in my schooling as a composition major: This. A thousand times, this. Even Karlheinz Stockhausen, who typically had to write entire books about most of his pieces, is someone whose artistic statements you can at least attempt to glean if you listen to his stuff. Though, don't say that too loudly, linders: you might get someone who would pull a Milton Babbitt on you and say "advanced" storytelling is too complex for a normally well-educated man without special preparation to understand.
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