|
Post by Knightfall on Nov 19, 2011 22:00:16 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 19, 2011 22:26:50 GMT 1
Well if Zaalbar isn't it, fuck that book! How can you not have a wookie in your story? ...
So what happens to Revan? He goes off with the party members that did show up, shags Bastilla for Satele Shan, gives Canderous his mask, sends off the dudes and dies at the hand of Lord Scourge.
Am I close?
|
|
|
Post by Knightfall on Nov 19, 2011 22:39:06 GMT 1
(MAJOR SPOILER ALERT for those who want the Spark Notes.)
-Revan helps Canderous find Mandalore's Mask. -He follows a holocron he'd left for himself to find to a planet that had been stripped of the Force. Ends up crashing the Ebon Hawk for the second time in the book. -Gets knocked out and captured by the Sith. -He's imprisoned and tortured for three years, all the while claiming he was close to escaping. Doesn't. -The Exile (Meetra Surik) and T3 bust Revan out. -The Exile gives Revan his old mask back, unlocking all of his old memories. -The Exile, Revan, T3, and Lord Scourge attempt to kill the Emperor of the Sith, who has been planning another invasion of the Republic. -Lord Scourge kills the Exile, the Emperor destroys T3, and Revan gets captured again. -Revan is imprisoned in stasis (presumably so that he'd be alive in time for The Old Republic MMO). Using the Force, Revan continues to persuade the Emperor to hold off on his invasion. Again, presumably until the MMO. -Bastila gives birth to Revan's son, Avner (creative anagram), who in turn has grandchildren. Bastila never sees Revan again. -The End.
Other items of interest: Canderous, Bastila, and T3 are the only K1 party members who make an appearance. The book only follows Revan 1/3rd of the time. The book is unusually faithful to Obsidian's game, though they turn away from Mical's interpretation of Revan's motivations during his time as Dark Lord, and make Revan a puppet of the Sith instead.
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 19, 2011 22:45:50 GMT 1
Well that sucks...thanks for that though. Sad, i did like Atton Rand and Exile...
|
|
|
Post by jklinders on Nov 20, 2011 4:04:52 GMT 1
One word, one syllable.
LAME.
Drew Deserved every heap of criticism he got. Wasn't all his fault as Revan needs to be around for TOR. But Bioware did not need to have it 300 years in the future. Too many complications for no good reason.
|
|
|
Post by Mr. Glow on Nov 20, 2011 10:45:14 GMT 1
That's pretty shameful how he's blaming fans of KotOR for his failure. If you mess up like that, you should probably just accept it, not try to shift the blame... Spoilers: -Lord Scourge kills the Exile, the Emperor destroys T3, and Revan gets captured again. Now that's a cool way to kill off the Exile. After all, it's not like she has any sort of powers that would give her an edge over another force-user, right?
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 20, 2011 18:36:58 GMT 1
i felt the sarcasm in that one...it hurt.
|
|
|
Post by MarianneClaus on Nov 21, 2011 0:22:21 GMT 1
Good, someone else is discussing this terrible book.
I finished reading it this morning. Granted, it only took me two days and I found myself skimming because... because it wasn't very good.
I hated it. So much.
(SPOILERS AHOY)
I don't think that the author understands women. Or relationships. Revan leaving his pregnant wife behind and Bastila being totally cool with it does not ring true. And also that bit with Canderous's wife? She's angry with him, then sleeps with him (have they seemd to have mad eup? Probably.), and then turns on him because he sides with his best friend? Also does not ring true.
And then the completely unwarranted deaths of T3 and the Exile, whose new name, by the way, I hate. I came up with much better as did about twenty or so fan fiction writers. She just dies with a lightsaber between the ribs. Voila. Fail.
It's warranted to say that I enjoyed bits of the beginning. The Sith political mess fascinated me. And there was a semi-interesting cameo of Atris pre-KOTOR2. But then there was no Atton. Or anyone really. There were a couple of references to Revan's former companions (except for Carth) but none for the Exile's. Did Bioware feel that since they didn't put together KOTOR2 they couldn't address any of its story?
The Sith Emperor, by the way, is basically Darth Nihlus with his sapping the Force and life from everything. Which is probably why Nihlus and Sion also go unmentioned.
Okay, I'll get off of my soapbox now, Sorry.
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 21, 2011 0:31:21 GMT 1
Mandolorian's are kinda the same like Klingons. It's easy to write them, but hard to write about them if you catch my drift. Also i'm actually suprised about bastilla. I mean two jedi having a baby with the dad leaving and the mum facing the Jedi council alone about it? Not goooood....
Also, i wanted fucking Zaalbar and HK-47.....
Statement: This novel sounds like garbage, meatbag.
|
|
|
Post by MarianneClaus on Nov 21, 2011 0:33:32 GMT 1
Oh, there was some explanation like Revan and Bastila got to do their own thing and get married and have kids so long as they didn't interfere with the Jedi Council and their order and didn't corrupt young minds. So Bastila was semi-safe on her own.
But as someone who grew up in a single-mom household? I don't like Drew's version of Revan very much.
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 21, 2011 0:45:34 GMT 1
I would've made an epic thing and say Revan went down fighting off legions of Sith so Bastilla (who's preggers) and his friends could warp away to safety. Basiacly go down a hero...like he deserved to go down as.
|
|
|
Post by Knightfall on Nov 21, 2011 1:03:14 GMT 1
Well, let's not put that soapbox away just yet. xD
Definitely not a fan of the book. They literally could've gotten any other Star Wars author and it probably would have turned out better for it. (If they had gotten Stover, I'd probably still be celebrating in the streets - in between downpours.) There was just no characterization, no love for the source material, which is weird as hell coming from the lead writer of the game. A character's history is what makes them. Revan's (canonical) trials are what made him, but they're hardly even referenced, so he comes off as dull. He's just some guy, and the Exile certainly doesn't act like she had just destroyed a planet not too long ago.
In fact, I don't remember a single mention of the Star Forge (though, I could be wrong). And I love how the Exile's killed by some almost-Sith after destroying three of the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy almost singlehandedly.
Raaaahhhhhggghhhhhh. Karpyshyn, why? Who convinced you that you could write prose? >.<
|
|
|
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 21, 2011 1:34:25 GMT 1
Maybe he needed to work together with some other authors? Maybe he knows how to do a story over a longer period of time then write a proper one?
|
|
|
Post by Knightfall on Nov 21, 2011 2:06:44 GMT 1
I think there's such a dramatic difference between screenwriting and prose, that I'm really surprised that all of these BioWare authors think they're able to transition back and forth with no problems. Everything I've read from Karpyshyn (Bane, Mass Effect, The Old Republic), all of it reads like an expanded screenplay. The important things are minimized and not-so-important actions are expanded. It's really hard to describe.
He does a lot of telling and not enough showing. TOR: Revan read like a wikipedia article most of the time.
|
|
|
Post by MarianneClaus on Nov 21, 2011 3:35:39 GMT 1
He does a lot of telling and not enough showing. TOR: Revan read like a wikipedia article most of the time. It was like he was trying to make stage directions read like prose. It didn't work. EDIT: 200 hundred posts! And a worthy topic to hit this milestone on.
|
|