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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 4, 2010 4:13:52 GMT 1
When having the uh, confrontation/showdown with Kaidan/Ash on Horizon, Shepard goes through a LOT of trouble to avoid saying (s)he actually died. (S)he goes as far as saying that (s)he spent "most of the last two years in a coma." Miranda never gets around to telling her this in game, and neither does anybody else. So one has to wonder, if Miranda goes on about how bad Shepard's body looks when it's finally recovered, how the hell did they save Shepard's brain? All of the implants and such in Shepard makes me wonder about Garrus. How much did they throw into him after he bit the rocket, and is it gonna come back to haunt them both in ME3? One question that really bugs me about Horizon: where the hell was Kaidan/Ash when Shepard was trying to get the guns back online, and what were they doing? They'd better feel like answering that in ME3, or Kaidan's gonna get one hell of a lot more than a kick to the shins from Nikora Shepard for his treatment of her at Horizon. (The rest of my Shepards could care less about him at this point )
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Post by Nemonus on Aug 4, 2010 7:40:00 GMT 1
Interesting point. By that time, everyone seems to assume Shepard was just...asleep. I would like to write a fic with different characters' more visceral reactions to his/her death.
I suppose the theory I'm going with is that Shep was protected by the spacesuit, as well as by dumb luck. What I want to know is how Cerberus got to the crash site fast enough. The Normandy probably sent out an Alliance distress signal--why didn't they get there first? That's one of the reasons I feel like Cerberus must have set it up, which...they so didn't, the Collectors did. Unless the two are working together...</tangent>
Interesting question! I thought it was Chakwas personally, not Cerberus as a deciding force, that patched Garrus up though.
I assumed that they were trying to help the people who had been stunned by the Collector swarms, or hiding from said swarms.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 4, 2010 16:30:17 GMT 1
Well I never noticed if the swarms were still active during the final fight. If they were then Ashley/Kaidan were going nowhere. I'll try to keep an eye out in the next playthrough.
As for the other part, Shepard went through a lot of trouble to avoid saying he was dead throughout the game. I would in his place. I don't see how it is possible to preserve brain function and memory after brain death. I would like to think he found a big piece of the Normandy's wreckage to ride down to the planet with and stayed just barely alive long enough for a salvage team to find him and put him in stasis.
Otherwise as far as I am concerned all we have is the Shepard VI(TM). It would be nice if someone could provide some fake science to fill in the blanks.
Edit: I have said this elsewhere but it bears repeating., if Bioware pull an "Assuming Direct Control" on Shepard with him having reaper implants or some such crap, I'm out.
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 4, 2010 22:19:26 GMT 1
Interesting point. By that time, everyone seems to assume Shepard was just...asleep. I would like to write a fic with different characters' more visceral reactions to his/her death. I suppose the theory I'm going with is that Shep was protected by the spacesuit, as well as by dumb luck. What I want to know is how Cerberus got to the crash site fast enough. The Normandy probably sent out an Alliance distress signal--why didn't they get there first? That's one of the reasons I feel like Cerberus must have set it up, which...they so didn't, the Collectors did. Unless the two are working together...</tangent> Interesting question! I thought it was Chakwas personally, not Cerberus as a deciding force, that patched Garrus up though. I assumed that they were trying to help the people who had been stunned by the Collector swarms, or hiding from said swarms. Cerberus *didn't* get there first. If you bother talking to Liara enough at Nos Astra (I think you have to do both of her quests first), she eventually admits that she had to more or less steal the body from the Shadow Broker (who was about to sell it to the Collectors) and then sold it to Cerberus. *That's* the real reason why she wants to bring him down.
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 4, 2010 22:21:32 GMT 1
I remember clearly that Kaidan was stung (or a swarm bug tried to sting him; he yelps and pulls the bug out but it's hard to say if it just stung his armor or what). Then it looks like he's about to freeze as the scene fades. So I'm very much wondering what the hell happened there, and how Bioware intends to explain that one.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 5, 2010 0:44:22 GMT 1
I remember clearly that Kaidan was stung (or a swarm bug tried to sting him; he yelps and pulls the bug out but it's hard to say if it just stung his armor or what). Then it looks like he's about to freeze as the scene fades. So I'm very much wondering what the hell happened there, and how Bioware intends to explain that one. I noticed this as well. I guess this is just one of those silly plotholes Bioware will be ignoring. If he was stung, how did he get better? And if he wasn't stung, where was he during that hard as hell fight?
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 5, 2010 1:40:11 GMT 1
I noticed this as well. I guess this is just one of those silly plotholes Bioware will be ignoring. If he was stung, how did he get better? And if he wasn't stung, where was he during that hard as hell fight? He was worried about his "perfect" HAIR, of course! (Oh, I hear Kaidan fangirls gearing up to lynch me now!) But what was Ash's excuse? Was she fixing her wonky left eye? Either that, or they were off sulking. "Hmph! Shepard, you little bitch! How come you didn't send me a Hallmark card when you freaking DIED?! I'm gonna sit out this pain in the ass fight you've got coming up and spew a lot of stupid dialogue when you're done with that!" Like I said, they'd better come up with something really good in ME3 for Ash/Kaidan. You have NO idea how badly I wanted to rearrange that scene on Horizon so I could have Garrus punch either of them in the face. And I'm with jklinders on the "direct control" angle, big time. I doubt Bioware will be that bloody stupid, though.
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 5, 2010 1:50:54 GMT 1
I just had a thought: Kaidan/Ash get hit by the swarms, their evil clones are unleashed, and if you bothered to romance either of them, the clone sends you that craptastic email so that you think "Oh, screw YOU! I'm gonna go date [insert your choice here]!" Then you get to have the awkward as hell reunion in ME3!
Okay, I highly doubt it would work like that (and I frankly hope not), but come on! There HAS to be a good reason for that puke-worthy email that they send you, right? (Besides the obvious reason: Bioware devs suck at breaking up with people.)
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Post by jklinders on Aug 5, 2010 1:52:15 GMT 1
While we are worried about the cutscene how about the Alliance hating Delan on Horizon wearing a full Alliance issue uniform. I say he is a sleeper agent who is working way too hard at his Alliance hate. Seriousness aside I just figured that the stasis field Ashley/Kaidan were slapped with wore off once the collector ship was no longer around to power it. *puts on space magic professor hat just so you know I am making BS up on the spot now* The swarms probably just inject a tracer in their victims allowing the collector ship to project a field selectively on their victims over a wide area with minimum energy drain. The swarms themselves would not have the energy for the stasis field and the ship would not be precise enough without the swarms. Yeah that was BS made up on the spot but how did it sound?
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 5, 2010 1:59:24 GMT 1
But doesn't Chakwas say after you rescue the crew that the chemical/agent (I forget what she calls it exactly; it's been a while since I've done the suicide mission) in the swarms actually caused the human bodies to break down over time, enabling the "human Reaper milkshake" process? (Though how the process magically reverses itself to prevent your crew from going out that way-- assuming you do save the entire crew-- is something Bioware seems to have forgotten to explain. ) (If I'm wrong, then I love your theory. )
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Post by jklinders on Aug 5, 2010 2:34:55 GMT 1
Well I figured the liquefaction process only happened when some trigger occurred in the tubes aboard the collector base otherwise reaper slurrie would spoil before baby reaper could feed on it. As for why the crew was not liquefied at the same time as the Horizon colonists when you rescue them...i dunno, someone forget to hit the on switch?
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 5, 2010 2:36:35 GMT 1
Chakwas does say (conveniently enough) that the crew were "minutes away" from sharing the colonists' fate. Uh huh.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 5, 2010 2:40:43 GMT 1
The only thing missing was Harbinger twirling a villain mustache while cackling and personally placing all the crew in the pods and saying "and not even Shepard can stop me now muahahahahahah"
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Post by Battlechantress on Aug 5, 2010 2:46:15 GMT 1
It's funny, now that I've stopped playing the game, the more little things like that annoy the hell out of me. I don't recall ME1 having this many plot holes.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Aug 5, 2010 2:52:22 GMT 1
I definitely think Mass Effect 2 took more of a Hollywood 'don't think on this stuff too much, just enjoy the explosions and the half naked women' feel than the first game did.
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