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Apr 20, 2013 0:32:52 GMT 1
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 20, 2013 0:32:52 GMT 1
Old Testament: God was angry and was being a dick to everyone. Puberty. New Testament: God grew up, setteld down and had a kid. Problem was that kid had a rather sucky time at College so he hasnt been calling around as much as he did. Also they keep using his name to do bad stuff, that would tick you off.
Actually I had a discusion about religion on my course today, it was very interesting.
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Apr 20, 2013 0:33:24 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 0:33:24 GMT 1
I know that, Iron... I also know that Modern Wicca starts a lot less wars (um... none?) compared to modern Christianity.
No bubble-bursting there.
All religions, no matter how different from each other, take bits and bobs from other / older religions... and then change things around to better fit what they believe.
Does modern Wicca start wars "in the name of the Goddess" and vow to ostracize anyone who does not 'fall in line'? No, I thought not.
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Apr 20, 2013 2:43:18 GMT 1
Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 20, 2013 2:43:18 GMT 1
Old Testament: God was angry and was being a dick to everyone. Puberty. New Testament: God grew up, setteld down and had a kid. Problem was that kid had a rather sucky time at College so he hasnt been calling around as much as he did. Also they keep using his name to do bad stuff, that would tick you off. Actually I had a discusion about religion on my course today, it was very interesting. Not exactly so. I'll PM you.
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Apr 20, 2013 11:09:57 GMT 1
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 20, 2013 11:09:57 GMT 1
Okiday Clint.
Just a little heads up, i'm no big fan of organised religon. So something like Wicca I can totally understand and get behind because ( No offense there Lily, i love you girl) It doesnt have a power base to do much harm. Religions are created for three reasons.
Provide comfort, explain things we do not understand and bring people together.
The reason why so many dont get along is because at its core, even religions that share the same origin source ( Christianity, Islam and Judaism), are not meant to get along. You follow that set of rules and stick with them.
That is why we had so many wars, every Empire adopted a religon and used it to expand either by force or via trade routes. that is how the biggest religons survived till this day.
Im not a atheïst by the way, i'm agnostic and i respect other people's believes. As a Historianits my job to see how everything starts and flows, that includes this.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:38:18 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 12:38:18 GMT 1
Wicca doesn't need a power base to do any harm. Remember the Threefold Law and the Wiccan Rede? "An it harm none, do what ye wilt?" That means, live life and be a good person and don't bring harm upon others, and things will be good. It is too bad other people don't follow this. Also, Gorvar, I really do love what you said there, and trust me, no offense was taken from my end here.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:42:24 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 20, 2013 12:42:24 GMT 1
I'm with Gorvar on this one, Lily. Judaism includes the direct order from God, "Thou shalt not kill" and yet it causes harm. Christianity is based around the self-sacrifice of a pacifist, but its followers led the crusades and much, much more.
Any ideology or faith will cause wars if enough people (and a King or two) fall in with it. Not necessarily because of what it teaches, but because people want to defend or promote what they live by and believe in. I don't know but I doubt Wicca would be especially different if it had a chance.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:50:24 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 12:50:24 GMT 1
But the difference there is God says "Thou shalt not kill" and yet the book I was reading specifically stated that God punished King Saul because he did not follow God's order to slaughter every man, woman and child and beast in a city. The orders were to leave no survivors and take no spoils, and King Saul was punished because he did not immediately kill the conquered King. Also, the bit about "leave no survivors"? That's God ordering King Saul to slaughter women and children - not just the soldiers who would die in battle, but the innocents in the city as well.
God ordered this. So really, it's "Thou shalt not kill, unless I tell you to."
That's still a rather bloodthirsty religion.
Wicca, on the other hand - I don't ever recall the Goddess telling Her followers to slaughter entire cities and adopting a "Kill them all" attitude.
Have there been any wars in the last ... well, however long mankind has been alive ... that started because Wiccans wanted to force everyone else to follow the Wiccan path? Honestly?
Also, if you'll notice, I was not disagreeing with Gorvar, I was admiring his insight. Because what he said makes sense.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:51:14 GMT 1
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 20, 2013 12:51:14 GMT 1
Alternative universe story idea!
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Apr 20, 2013 13:00:17 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 20, 2013 13:00:17 GMT 1
I think you were disagreeing too, or adding to what he said.
True about the Old Testament having very mixed messages, but I doubt that's all it takes. Wicca may not have started any wars, but that's only because no tyrant was raised in a country it dominated.
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Apr 20, 2013 13:06:44 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 13:06:44 GMT 1
But the point is that Wicca has not started any wars. And I highly doubt that's the only reason. Also, how exactly was I disagreeing with Gorvar? And what happened to this being a thread for educational purposes? I thought this was merely supposed to be a discussion about what Wicca is... not the theory behind whether Wicca is violent despite never having caused or started any wars.
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Apr 20, 2013 13:10:49 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 20, 2013 13:10:49 GMT 1
Yeah I agree, I'll drop it. This thread isn't about arguing the religion's merits.
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Apr 20, 2013 14:17:00 GMT 1
Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Apr 20, 2013 14:17:00 GMT 1
To be honest the Horned God sounds awesome and very metal.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:27:35 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 20, 2013 15:27:35 GMT 1
I'm with Gorvar on this one, Lily. Judaism includes the direct order from God, "Thou shalt not kill" and yet it causes harm. Christianity is based around the self-sacrifice of a pacifist, but its followers led the crusades and much, much more. Any ideology or faith will cause wars if enough people (and a King or two) fall in with it. Not necessarily because of what it teaches, but because people want to defend or promote what they live by and believe in. I don't know but I doubt Wicca would be especially different if it had a chance. That is a misquote. The original Hebrew states "Thou shalt not murder".
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Apr 20, 2013 15:32:20 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 15:32:20 GMT 1
Well, that still doesn't justify slaughtering an entire city of innocent women and children just because the soldiers of that city lost the war. Because that is still murder.
And now I will drop it.
I prefer to talk about what Wicca IS, not what it ISN'T, and I am not interested in feeling like I have to defend myself for my beliefs.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:34:51 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 20, 2013 15:34:51 GMT 1
I'm with Gorvar on this one, Lily. Judaism includes the direct order from God, "Thou shalt not kill" and yet it causes harm. Christianity is based around the self-sacrifice of a pacifist, but its followers led the crusades and much, much more. Any ideology or faith will cause wars if enough people (and a King or two) fall in with it. Not necessarily because of what it teaches, but because people want to defend or promote what they live by and believe in. I don't know but I doubt Wicca would be especially different if it had a chance. That is a misquote. The original Hebrew states "Thou shalt not murder". My copy is in English. Iron I don't feel like debating the minutia of the history and meaning of Bible quotes with you.
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