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Apr 19, 2013 16:25:44 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Apr 19, 2013 16:25:44 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:25:52 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 19, 2013 16:25:52 GMT 1
Wiccans don't "cast magic"... the "magick" referred to in Wicca is more along the lines of prayers and the power of faith, rather than actually manipulating the world.
Also, I frakkin' hate that use of the phrase from the Bible... people used that as an excuse to kill innocent men and women, and still use it now to demoralise Wiccan practitioners.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:26:18 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 19, 2013 16:26:18 GMT 1
Interesting about the men / women thing! In the films (think Buffy here) Paganism is portrayed as consisting entirely of 16-30 year old women.
'Merely assist' seems a bit much by the way - the religion aside, I feel a bit wounded on behalf of my gender for that one.
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Apr 19, 2013 16:29:19 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 19, 2013 16:29:19 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though. See that makes me realise just how long it's been since I read that book. So the man of peace demands the immediate murder of.... whatever he meant by witches. Jesus is kind of bipolar sometimes. As much as I love his usual stuff, sometimes he just throws in something like that and you wonder what the point of his story was in the first place.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:30:01 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 19, 2013 16:30:01 GMT 1
No offense meant, of course, I do realize that life cannot go on without both men and women... but, traditionally, it is the women who do the lioness' share when it comes to fertility and child-bearing.
Traditionally.
That's changing as time goes on though, now, with more men taking time off work to be stay-at-home daddies to their children, and generally accepting more in the way of child-rearing than they used to... so it really is becoming more equal - which I heartily approve of.
Also, Joss Whedon's shows should not be used as the sole or even the main reference for Witchcraft... he follows the Rule of Sexy too... though he's somewhat less offensive about it than others.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:35:04 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 19, 2013 16:35:04 GMT 1
Joss Whedon has a very strange idea of women. I can never wrap my head around that guy and whether I find him sexist or not. He likes sex appeal and he likes amazons. But willowy amazons who cry a lot. I don't know, I'm sure he means no harm.
I'm not touching the parenting issue! I've had enough huge political fights in the last 24 hours!
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:43:05 GMT 1
Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 19, 2013 16:43:05 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though. I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and I'm not going to enter the fray any further than this, but that quote is not from Christ. It's from the old testament in Exodus. (22:18, to be precise).
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:45:39 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Apr 19, 2013 16:45:39 GMT 1
Whedon writes in my opinion at least a lot of Mary Sues and woobies. I contend that the longer he has to develop a TV series the more ridiculous it gets as he tortures the ever loving shit out of his heroes. I find it gets very tedious. He also tends to cast very good looking people to fill these roles. he I am sure means no harm but I can only stomach his stuff in small doses. Firefly was great in concept but I think it would very quickly had devolved into some kind of space buffy with everyone else in that excellent cast playing second fiddle to his newest super girl archetype.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 16:59:32 GMT 1
Post by jklinders on Apr 19, 2013 16:59:32 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though. I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and I'm not going to enter the fray any further than this, but that quote is not from Christ. It's from the old testament in Exodus. (22:18, to be precise). I stand corrected. And rightly so. I had thought he had something to say on the subject but a quick skimming of Matthew turned up nothing. So I apologize for that.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 17:12:15 GMT 1
Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 19, 2013 17:12:15 GMT 1
No problem.
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Wicca
Apr 19, 2013 17:26:18 GMT 1
Post by Mister Buch on Apr 19, 2013 17:26:18 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though. I've been keeping an eye on this thread, and I'm not going to enter the fray any further than this, but that quote is not from Christ. It's from the old testament in Exodus. (22:18, to be precise). Well then I definitely need to read it again! Sorry Clint, thanks for that correction.
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Wicca
Apr 20, 2013 0:19:44 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 20, 2013 0:19:44 GMT 1
I kinda breezed through the posts, but there's a very good reason why witches (term used for both male and female practitioners; "warlock" stems from the Anglo-Saxon "waerloga" which means "oath-breaker") don't use their knowledge to cause harm.
I mentioned before the axiom "an it harm none, do what thou wilt". But there's another rule that every wiccan I know does not even joke about: the Threefold Law. The concept is simple: for whatever act you do, you shall receive threefold retribution. Considering this applies to all acts whether good or evil, I'd say it's a pretty hefty deterrent.
As a slightly humourous aside, for those of us who are Foamy fans... remember when Germaine broke out a cauldron and wrecked Foamy's shit? That was about the time her life went into a complete downward spiral.
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Apr 20, 2013 0:20:33 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 20, 2013 0:20:33 GMT 1
Jesus rather famously uttered the words "thou salt not suffer a witch to live". That can't have helped. What he actually meant by witch I really do not know though. See that makes me realise just how long it's been since I read that book. So the man of peace demands the immediate murder of.... whatever he meant by witches. Jesus is kind of bipolar sometimes. As much as I love his usual stuff, sometimes he just throws in something like that and you wonder what the point of his story was in the first place. To the best of my knowledge, that wasn't in Scripture until the church started its rather bloody expansion. Just saying.
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Wicca
Apr 20, 2013 0:26:14 GMT 1
Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 20, 2013 0:26:14 GMT 1
The Threefold Law is part of the Wiccan Rede I posted earlier... that's a very good deterrent, and I really wish all people and all religions practiced that belief. It would solve so many problems.
Also, I do laugh at the hypocrisy of calling Witches and Wiccans 'evil' when Christianty and it's pre-Jesus Christ roots has a very very bloody history.
I've been reading that book "A Story of God and All of Us" (which the TV show "The Bible" was based on) and it just reinforces what I remembered from other readings from other sources of how bloodthirsty the Old Testament God was... violent and vicious and how is that any better than the so-called "evils" of Wicca, which does not have any of the violent bloodthirsty history?
And I'm actually going to stop the comparison there, because I've stated my point and I swore I would only discuss Wicca in this thread - I promised myself I would not pull out the comparisons and I do not want to get into a debate defending myself and my beliefs against anyone who might take offense to my observation of the Bible.
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Apr 20, 2013 0:30:04 GMT 1
Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 20, 2013 0:30:04 GMT 1
The Threefold Law is part of the Wiccan Rede I posted earlier... that's a very good deterrent, and I really wish all people and all religions practiced that belief. It would solve so many problems. Also, I do laugh at the hypocrisy of calling Witches and Wiccans 'evil' when Christianty and it's pre-Jesus Christ roots has a very very bloody history. I've been reading that book "A Story of God and All of Us" (which the TV show "The Bible" was based on) and it just reinforces what I remembered from other readings from other sources of how bloodthirsty the Old Testament God was... violent and vicious and how is that any better than the so-called "evils" of Wicca, which does not have any of the violent bloodthirsty history? And I'm actually going to stop the comparison there, because I've stated my point and I swore I would only discuss Wicca in this thread - I promised myself I would not pull out the comparisons and I do not want to get into a debate defending myself and my beliefs against anyone who might take offense to my observation of the Bible. Um Lily? Hate to burst your bubble, but Wicca's roots can be traced back to the Druids. Not exactly the most savory lot either.
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