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Post by Mister Buch on Mar 12, 2012 22:59:38 GMT 1
Just replayed the ending and I take back what I said about the hallucination theory - maybe not.
Some counter-arguments to my own arguments here:
1) Actually Shep IS still wearing the armour - it's just so beat up by the Martian fighting machines that it lost a sleeve.
2) Maybe the gun never runs out of ammo..... because she's firing it so slowly it doesn't overheat. I know that's not how the 'ammo'.heat sink works in gameplay, but that IS how it works in the lore I believe.
3) Regarding the Catalyst appearing as a kid - I see no reason why an AI God wouldn't be able to read her thoughts. Shep does after all have Reaper-tech implants. Maybe it was forcing itself into her dreams the whole time, anyway?
So yeah, a lot of my reasons for believing it to be a hallucination just went out the window.
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Post by Knightfall on Mar 13, 2012 3:49:29 GMT 1
Here's a question: why would an VI God take the form of a kid who's been haunting Shepard's dreams? That'd be like if I got up to that platform and the VI's in the form of a giant black widow.
No, thanks. I'm not listening to this thing, and I'm not jumping off that platform. Screw Earth, I'm going to space.
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Post by Hodster on Mar 13, 2012 23:28:26 GMT 1
Just replayed the ending and I take back what I said about the hallucination theory - maybe not. Some counter-arguments to my own arguments here: 1) Actually Shep IS still wearing the armour - it's just so beat up by the Martian fighting machines that it lost a sleeve. 2) Maybe the gun never runs out of ammo..... because she's firing it so slowly it doesn't overheat. I know that's not how the 'ammo'.heat sink works in gameplay, but that IS how it works in the lore I believe. 3) Regarding the Catalyst appearing as a kid - I see no reason why an AI God wouldn't be able to read her thoughts. Shep does after all have Reaper-tech implants. Maybe it was forcing itself into her dreams the whole time, anyway? So yeah, a lot of my reasons for believing it to be a hallucination just went out the window. I thought of all of these when I first heard about the hallucination theory. But I'd rather believe that it was a hallucination because to me its less stupid then it being real. There also the indoctrination theory which is similar to the hallucination theory. Basically the end part happens in Shepard's head the god child is harbinger/the reapers trying to indoctrinate him. The control and synthesis are basically Shepard becoming indoctrinated and giving into the reapers. While the destroy option is him rejecting the reapers and fighting off indoctrination. The god child did make control and synthesis sound really good while making the destroy seem really bad. Also when Shepard said "So the Illusive Man was right all along" I was just like 'Wut?' He could have said that because the indoctrination was getting to him but all I know is that Shepard was not acting like my Shepard at the very end.
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Post by jklinders on Mar 14, 2012 0:22:39 GMT 1
Indoctrination theory is interesting but it makes the coda even weirder because you get it regardless of the ending.
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Post by Mister Buch on Mar 14, 2012 4:08:13 GMT 1
I don't have any time for the Indoctrination theory. The game plays the 'blue' and 'green' endings with more hope and paragon-ness than the red. And it would be crazy if the ONLY ending where you have free will means that you kill all the geth and EDI (and the soldiers we see burn up on Earth).
PLUS - if Shepard is indoctrinated, why would the catalyst let him take control of the Reapers and then fly them away? If the catalyst had Shep under its control it would just either have him kill himself or have him help with the reaping. Not destroy the Citadel and remove the Reapers.
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Post by Knightfall on Mar 14, 2012 4:24:44 GMT 1
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Post by Clint Johnston on Mar 14, 2012 4:52:06 GMT 1
A noteworthy effort, but unlikely to yield results. Gaider anyone?
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Post by Clint Johnston on Mar 14, 2012 5:16:20 GMT 1
I sent this to them:
Dear Letter Screener for Bioware/ people this eventually is forwarded to,
I loved your game Mass Effect 3. It was thrilling and included many of my favorite characters from the series. I loved the side missions and even enjoyed the mini-games. It featured some spectacular artwork and gameplay. I'm presently exploring the multi-player and enjoying that as well. However, I wanted to throw in my lot with the "retake Mass Effect" group on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3#%15/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3) and elsewhere to encourage you to revise the ending. I know it was a lot to live up to and any ending you chose would annoy some players. But I think the existential "tell me another story of shepard" is the wrong path.
Allow me to explain. Throughout the game, the characters have been the strength behind the story. We'd have no reason to challenge Saren's investment in or the Illusive Man's struggle for the Reapers if we hadn't been so interested in the way these characters were written. With the final choice Shepard faces, we do not see a conclusion to any of these characters' story arcs (except Illusive Man & Anderson) and it makes the ending very hollow. The video of the Normandy crashing on a garden planet fails to explain why they were flying, how the squad members returned to the ship, how the ship survived the explosion, or any aftermath thereof. I think this lets down the players, and isn't enough to justify all the effort of playing through the game. And I truly loved the game. I don't know what other endings are suggested or even feasible, but I would hope that this campaign gets you to reconsider. My personal idea would be akin to the magnificent ending to the Dragonage Origins game where a text scroll tells you the end result of each of the people you helped / took advantage of throughout the game. I would hope that you also revise the strange "catalyst" issues, but a text scroll of end results would be an excellent step in the right direction.
I don't expect a reply to this missive, but I hope it does further than the "delete" box,
Thank you very much, C.J.
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Post by Mister Buch on Mar 14, 2012 13:16:23 GMT 1
Yeah I doubt the movement will do much, but hey. It would be pretty cool if it did.
I think right now BioWare are still in shock, just staring at the outcry and wondering what the hell went wrong, and how to react. Looking for people to blame, you know?
Obviously I'm just assuming this, but I feel like the people behind this game will be extremely proud of it. I can imagine them sitting there waiting for the praise to roll in about their phenomenal game and clever ending... and then them being shocked. Denying their mistakes, you know.
My guess.
(And, again - I kinda like the ending. Kinda.)
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Post by Mr. Glow on Mar 14, 2012 15:35:45 GMT 1
I think people who never played Deus Ex will like the ending a bit more. The stuff with Anderson and the Illusive Man was pretty cool, though. Here's a question: why would an VI God take the form of a kid who's been haunting Shepard's dreams? That'd be like if I got up to that platform and the VI's in the form of a giant black widow. Would've been the goddamn dinosaur I can never outrun in my dreams.
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Post by docfronkensteen on Mar 14, 2012 16:10:24 GMT 1
Theres so many people begging Bioware for DLC to change the endings now, I'm starting to thing Bioware did it on purpose. I know overpriced DLC would sell like crazy if they promised to "fix" the endings.
Or Bioware has shot themselves in the foot by releasing so much DLC over the years. Now, when anything is perceived as wrong in the story line, people demand that they fix it.
I still have mixed feelings about the ending myself. I think I'll have a better opinion after I finish my second playthrough. The biggest gripe that I did have was that it was very confusing as to what did happen. I can respect an ambiguous ending, but it doesn't work if I can't tell what the hell was going on.
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Post by Hodster on Mar 14, 2012 18:15:07 GMT 1
From what I can tell about the indoctrination theory is that, like the hallucination theory, the whole last part takes place in Shepard's head. The god child is like the reapers voices in Shepard's head trying to persuade him that the left or middle options are right and the right option is wrong. If Shepard does pick the destroy option the geth and edi don't actually die cause this is all taking place in Shepard's head as he fights indoctrination.
I think it's a cool theory but I prefer the hallucination theory overall.
And you know I'd probably actually kinda like the ending if the Normandy wasn't running away for no reason and then getting stuck on some planet -___-
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Post by Knightfall on Mar 14, 2012 20:16:06 GMT 1
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Post by Hodster on Mar 14, 2012 22:02:31 GMT 1
I read that article earlier today. I hope bioware sees it too.
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Post by Knightfall on Mar 15, 2012 3:04:30 GMT 1
=(
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