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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 7, 2011 15:06:26 GMT 1
While I'm drafting out Paragons of the Hierarchy, I was wondering about a few things with turian culture I'm struggling to find on the ME wiki site for a while now.
1. When turians have their facial tattoos? Do they get it after they have done their mandatory boot camp or they get it when they hit puberty. Also is it possible to get tattoos outside of turian space and military. Speaking of that...
2. Does the mainstream turians looked down at anyone who didn't go through boot camp? Or there are exceptions to it, like someone with a disability, etc.
Also does the mainstream Hierarchy didn't mind if someone join into the military service later in life due to a few circumstances that made them not being able to join up immediately at the age of 15. (eg: finishing their academic education.)
Feel free to vent, comment or answer some of those questions that I've been thinking for a while.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 7, 2011 15:48:44 GMT 1
Well i'm sure for a military goverment, i assume the boot you to boot camp (get it? )as soon as possible to discourage free thinking.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 7, 2011 17:31:26 GMT 1
So turians usually aren't big into books? What a shame. I'm still going to write the protagonist who was a big fan of books.
Still scouring in the ME wiki, but does Palaven at least have a University of some sort? I mean they have turians that are scientists. If so, do you think their higher education is on the par with humans, asari and the salerians? Or their scientific prodigies usually study abroad in a different homeworld/colony?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 7, 2011 17:35:07 GMT 1
I think Asari are the most learned type at there, if only because they found the Citadel first. I do think the Turians are smart though, but would probably only study political and war history.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 7, 2011 17:45:18 GMT 1
I guess I have to make my protagonist as an outsider, due to academic and health reasons. I'm writing her off as an activist for peace of some sort. You know, try to make her less stereotypical with the other turians (eg: killing stuff to solve problems). Or at least skipping the call for boot camp temporary by having her enrol in the University of Serrice at the age of 16 after she passed the examination from the year before.
Still does that mean she's barefaced or she can still acquire the clan markings/tattoos of her parents while being outside of the Hierarchy society norm?
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Post by Clint Johnston on Nov 7, 2011 17:53:40 GMT 1
So basically you're writing about a non-turian turian?
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 7, 2011 17:57:50 GMT 1
I think she can still get tattoos, even from none-Turians if need be. To be fair, i do think one Turian Colony must be different from the others. Like instead of soldiers they produce scholars? Turians aren't like Krogan though, they think before they attack something. See it like a warrior who fights and thinks while the Krogan lashes out in anger and gets results.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 7, 2011 18:07:06 GMT 1
More like a non-Hierarchy turian, due being raised outside of Hierarchy Space.
Unless Palaven had offer some sort of alternatives for turians with physical disabilities and prodigies canon wise, it would be kinda hard for me to integrate her into the Hierarchy society, without conflicting the turian culture too much, since they based their society on military discipline. Besides, it's a good opportunity to explore mainstream turian culture, through the eyes of a non-mainsteam turian.
EDIT: I don't know if turians have a separate colony that produce scholars solely. However from what I have read in the codex, they do have some sort of full-time historians that recorded and maintain their history. And after a bit of searching, disabled turians do contribute the state, but only behind the scenes from what I have read.
I might have the protagonist join the Hierarchy instead, but as a scholar/scientist who probably works as an intern of sorts under a professor due to her health. Besides, she doesn't look right as a barefaced turian in the illustrations.
Still I wonder about the clan markings...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Nov 7, 2011 18:35:46 GMT 1
Well if the protagonist does help the state with her abilities, i'm sure he/she also deserves the markings.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Nov 7, 2011 23:32:13 GMT 1
They'll definitely have (hundreds of) universities on Palaven. They wouldn't be able to keep up with the other races if they didn't have doctors and scientists and whatnot.
They probably would look down on a turian who hasn't served in the military or whatever, though. I can see that.
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Post by jklinders on Nov 8, 2011 0:48:24 GMT 1
Well I'm late to the party but I'll chip in.
I really don't think the Turian education system allows for skipping the Mandatory military service under any circumstance. Having said that, military service means many different things. While there would be boot camp of course that's only about 8-12 weeks. After that there would be many different disciplines to take under that very broad umbrella of military service. They are an advanced race, they would have engineers, doctors, scientists. Let's not forget also, that like the humans, they were not uplifted at all by the council. They came up on their own.
Just because they are militaristic, does not mean they are stupid.
Try to keep your character from skipping the boot camp though unless they were or continue to be very ill though. It just does not happen in their culture.
As for the tattoos, I thought they were based on the various colonies that tried (and failed) to split from the Hierarchy. I was never under the impression they were related to military service at all. More of a maker of where a Turian comes from.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 8, 2011 2:13:12 GMT 1
IIRC, the Turians, though militaristic, were pretty laisse faire (sp?) when it came to what they did during their downtime provided their jobs weren't compromised...
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 8, 2011 3:25:05 GMT 1
Nice points there. I'll have the protagonist serving for the military state then and do the usual turian stuff, except she's aiming for academia pathway, working as a historian/scientist.
As for boot camp, I have another question in general. Do cancer survivors can handle boot camp? Because the protagonist is actually a cancer survivor who lost her arm in the process during childhood. Despite having a cybernetic arm and a few biotic abilities, her previous fight with the cancer had left her weaker than most turians.
And no, I'm not aiming the character to be a 'special delicate flower'. I just want to write in a perspective of a sickly protagonist, because it's interesting especially being raised within a military family.
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Post by jklinders on Nov 8, 2011 12:07:57 GMT 1
Depends on the person. Some folks are completely normal for years after surviving cancer. Others get recurrences over and over. 22nd century medicine is likely far better at fighting it than what we have now. There are some pretty neat ideas for fighting it coming down the pipe even now so there is no reason why not.
That could serve as an excuse for going through the service late but if she came back to mostly normal health she would still have to go through it. At least I would think so.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Nov 8, 2011 12:15:15 GMT 1
Hmm... interesting point there. I might have the character go through boot camp at the usual age of 15, but she might be placed under "Special Consideration", where some of the turian superiors can cut some slack off her. Think that would sounded a bit plausible in the ME verse?
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