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Post by Clint Johnston on Dec 6, 2013 8:20:24 GMT 1
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Post by jklinders on Dec 7, 2013 2:50:36 GMT 1
If by fast food dipshits you mean the operators who are feeding off the labour of the sweat of minimum wage earning brows , I agree.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 7, 2013 4:40:35 GMT 1
Not defending the assholes at Corporate, but fast food is kinda a low skill job...
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Post by Clint Johnston on Dec 7, 2013 5:03:31 GMT 1
I don't agree with the $15 / hour strikes, but when your boss condescends to you like this, it's kind of hard not to see where they are coming from.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 7, 2013 6:09:28 GMT 1
I DEFINITELY disagree with $15/hr wages for fast food. That's more than I make and I hold a Top Secret security clearance and have over 3 years of military experience in my job rating. Asshole boss or not, I average S13/hr and that's assuming a 40 hour work week. Realistically? I've pulled 60+ hour weeks on many occasions.
ETA: burger flipper jobs aren't supposed to be "living wage" jobs. They're mostly geared towards school kids still living with their parents and retirees looking to supplement their income. I get that people fall on hard times and that's all they can do for a job, but people who never even try to advance past a no-skill job have little room to blame the boss.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Dec 7, 2013 11:23:56 GMT 1
I DEFINITELY disagree with $15/hr wages for fast food. That's more than I make and I hold a Top Secret security clearance and have over 3 years of military experience in my job rating. Asshole boss or not, I average S13/hr and that's assuming a 40 hour work week. Realistically? I've pulled 60+ hour weeks on many occasions. ETA: burger flipper jobs aren't supposed to be "living wage" jobs. They're mostly geared towards school kids still living with their parents and retirees looking to supplement their income. I get that people fall on hard times and that's all they can do for a job, but people who never even try to advance past a no-skill job have little room to blame the boss.
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Post by jklinders on Dec 7, 2013 13:36:44 GMT 1
$15/hour is out to lunch (pun intended ) as expectations go. As for what the jobs are supposed to be...fuck off. Operators cannot functio9n on students alone. Full stop. I see this as an argument all of the time. It is an argument that comes from falling for the lie that is corporatism. Students are great to fill in part time slots but you need full time workers too. Full time workers are expected to put in, in this work environment a minimum of 40 hours some times on split shifts. If you are required to put in those kind of hours which leaves little time to do anything else then the wage should be at a minimum whatever teh poverty line sits at for a full time job.
I don't even know what that is, but the solution is not to lower wages past what more specialized folk are making but to raise the wages of the people with more specialized jobs. There has been this bullshit trend since the early 90s of expecting more from workers and giving them less. Buying power now vs the 80s is utter crap. And when I see anyone say any kind of variation of "it's not supposed to be a living wage job" I see that as a crock because pretty fucking soon if we keep letting the good jobs go to china, all we will have left is fast food work or being shackled to a phone in a call center. Still being shoveled this bullshit that these are not supposed to be living wage jobs.
tl;dr
If you want full time hours from an employee, then pay them commensurate to that commitment. The solution to more worthy jobs not being paid that kind of wage is not to drive other wages down but to expect more from them as well.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Dec 7, 2013 17:04:18 GMT 1
The problem with increasing wages is that it also increase the cost of the product on the consumer. Another potential issue is if you take a job like being a line worker at McDonald's and boost the wage to be above the poverty line, then the poverty line tends to increase to the new wage. Also, with Obamacare and the resulting clusterfuck that's coming about because of it, businesses across the board are cutting hours across the board so they don't end up losing money.
One other thing: when I worked at McDonald's, the regular line workers were all part-time. Management were the only people who worked a full-time schedule. It's more than doable to run a store on a mostly part-time workforce; heck it's the basic model for how they schedule the workers.
Finally, having been on both sides of the fence (I'm starting to supervise junior enlisted members as part of my preps to becoming an NCO and it similar to managing a work shift in places I've held jobs in), someone who's unmotivated and does the bare minimum isn't going to be in much of a position to ask for better wages/higher position. The person who busts their ass and goes the extra mile on a consistent basis gets noticed and tends to find themselves in a better position. Quite frankly, most of the people I know who work at McDonald's for an extended period of time and don't make it past line worker tend to fall into three categories: a) they're unable to advance further due to scheduling issues (students, people with other jobs, etc), b) they lack the ambition to advance further (this is the majority of line workers in my personal experience), c) they're incapable of advancing further due to actual ability (rare, but I have seen it; not trying to knock the people who fall into this category, but they do exist).
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Post by jklinders on Dec 7, 2013 17:48:51 GMT 1
Nonsense, hogwash and poppycock all in one.
Lesson on operations in a restaurant to the uninitiated. highest cost of the operation is food. typically at about 28-32% of revenue earned. Second is usually overhead at around 30%, third is wages at around 15-20%. you may have noticed that I was against the 15/hour figure the cooks want, but another 3 dollars an hour would make things better for the labour and only dd about 5 points to labour, tops. The profit would drop, sure but not by that much and could easily be recovered by a measly extra .50 per burger.
I laugh my ass off any time someone trots out that tired old chestnut that wages drive inflation. Wages have fucking not kept up with inflation for over 20 years and shit is still getting more expensive. Energy is currently the big driver. Followed by an ever increasing hunger for always increasing profit. I am not against profit, but driving for an increase of profit from not securing more market space is bullshit but that is exactly what corporatism is doing. The fact that so many (smart) people fall for the bullshit that wages are driving inflation to the contrary of all recent evidence is proof that the propaganda is working.
Also I am moving this discussion to R&P to keep this thread clean of it.
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