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Post by Clint Johnston on May 14, 2013 4:00:13 GMT 1
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Post by jklinders on May 14, 2013 14:08:21 GMT 1
No way this won't blow up so I've taken the liberty of moving this to a more appropriate place.
Now lemme be the first to pour some gasoline on it. Freedom of the Press does not mean liberty to exist outside investigative processes. There I said it. I'm glad they posted someone in the article that said it as well as that was the only pretext to balance those selfish pricks allowed in there. I know reporters need to safeguard their sources but FFS you cannot expect to be allowed to hide the identities of confidential sources that go around leaking state secrets. And for the GOP to bleating on this is so hypocritical that my coffee mug is steaming more in my hand as I think about it.
The press overreaches all the time to get their stories. And they still do a shitty job of reporting them as they cannot have a hard news story without shitting all over the facts with their opinions. Once was you had news reporting which stuck to the facts and you had Op-eds which were advertised as such which were opinions. The line between is not just fuzzy now, it's erased.
Should the press have freedom to report what they want? A most resounding yes. Should they be accountable to the same laws as the rest of us when it comes to spreading state secrets like fertilizer? Fuck yes. And the second article that Clint posted only underlines how they think that the laws don't apply to them simply because they have a press badge. It's gone too far.
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Post by Clint Johnston on May 14, 2013 17:09:14 GMT 1
*applause*
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 14, 2013 17:55:30 GMT 1
Freedom of speech and press are insanely important, but they should be investigated if they commit an illegal act to get a story. That includes leaking classified information that gets people killed. Of course the investigations should be conducted via processes that don't abuse Constitutional rights. It's a delicate dance, but it needs to be done.
It never ceases to amaze me how the press can get away with something that could potentially get me shot or hung.
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Post by jklinders on May 14, 2013 19:27:10 GMT 1
Exactly. A court process was used to get the info in this case.
Meanwhile we have crap like that wiretapping stuff that Murdoch indulged in in the UK and they try to brush it off. I'll put up with a lot of BS from the press but they should color inside the lines like the rest of us mortals.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 15, 2013 12:20:06 GMT 1
Exactly. A court process was used to get the info in this case. Meanwhile we have crap like that wiretapping stuff that Murdoch indulged in in the UK and they try to brush it off. I'll put up with a lot of BS from the press but they should color inside the lines like the rest of us mortals. Didn't Piers Morgan get sacked from his job in the UK for being part of that scandal and yet he found a job with CNN of all places?
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Post by jklinders on May 15, 2013 21:04:06 GMT 1
Exactly. A court process was used to get the info in this case. Meanwhile we have crap like that wiretapping stuff that Murdoch indulged in in the UK and they try to brush it off. I'll put up with a lot of BS from the press but they should color inside the lines like the rest of us mortals. Didn't Piers Morgan get sacked from his job in the UK for being part of that scandal and yet he found a job with CNN of all places? It's a pretty incestuous trade so I would not be surprised. I just don't really get how the fuck they thought a wiretap works. It's like they think that they should be warned when it's happening so they can open up new phone lines to continue to break the law with. I know you are not an Obama friendly guy Iron, but the comments under that article are laced with a bunch twits spewing NWO crap about how this is yet another abuse of power by Obama. I have a feeling that these were the same guys who were screaming for Julian Assange's head when the whole wikileaks thing broke out and as far as I am concerned this is little different.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 15, 2013 21:55:06 GMT 1
Didn't Piers Morgan get sacked from his job in the UK for being part of that scandal and yet he found a job with CNN of all places? It's a pretty incestuous trade so I would not be surprised. I just don't really get how the fuck they thought a wiretap works. It's like they think that they should be warned when it's happening so they can open up new phone lines to continue to break the law with. I know you are not an Obama friendly guy Iron, but the comments under that article are laced with a bunch twits spewing NWO crap about how this is yet another abuse of power by Obama. I have a feeling that these were the same guys who were screaming for Julian Assange's head when the whole wikileaks thing broke out and as far as I am concerned this is little different. Well DOJ authorized the taps outside of legal authority. I'd say that's a pretty big abuse of power. Add in the IRS targeting political organizations that had "right sounding" names, the lack of fallout over Benghazi, the leaks that got SEAL Team 6 killed (along with the Pakistani national who in good faith aided us with additional intel regarding Bin Laden but was outed by the government and subsequently imprisoned last I heard), ATF deliberately having guns smuggled to the Cartels in Mexico, etc. FDR, Nixon, Regan, and Clinton combined don't have nearly as much scandal-worthy shit against them. Julian Assange is another one who needs to answer for what he's done. Last I checked there are stiff penalties for facilitating the release of classified information (a good of which has gotten people killed both in and out of uniform). There's also that little bit about him facing some pretty nasty sex offender charges in his home country if what I've read is correct. Yet he hides in the Honduran embassy claiming that he picked them due to Honduras allegedly being a great place for journalists. Funny, I'm pretty sure journalists in Honduras routinely "disappear".
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Post by jklinders on May 15, 2013 22:13:22 GMT 1
I actually had not seen a reference that explicitly stated that they had not followed a legal process. that changes the landscape by a significant degree.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 15, 2013 23:12:39 GMT 1
From what I've managed to dig up, the taps weren't authorized by court order nor do the provisions of the PATRIOT act cover them.
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Post by Clint Johnston on May 16, 2013 4:50:45 GMT 1
I just found the juxtaposition ironic. So far as the Patriot act is concerned I applaud what it was trying to do, but it annoys me that people go beyond even it's generous provisions. I had to do a lot of study on it thanks to liberal library paranoia (THE FBI IS COMING, THE FBI IS COMING).
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Post by Clint Johnston on May 20, 2013 20:03:56 GMT 1
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 22, 2013 12:36:47 GMT 1
Also seeing reports that the wiretaps were also done on the House of Representatives... I'll have to track down the links.
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Post by jklinders on May 22, 2013 15:46:11 GMT 1
Let us know what you find Iron. I really don't have the energy to look myself but I would like to know if there is any truth to be seen behind all the self righteous chest thumping. Usually when there is that much breast beating there is actually an uncomfortable truth behind the bluster.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on May 22, 2013 22:47:52 GMT 1
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