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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 11, 2013 22:19:25 GMT 1
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Post by jklinders on Apr 11, 2013 22:31:23 GMT 1
Not sure if the term abortion applies here.
If there were live births and let us all remember the facts of the case are still in dispute then it was a clinic that committed infanticide. Also the women were given manipulated information about the state of their pregnancies. This makes it impossible for the fellow's patients to make informed choices. Even if the old abortion thread was not locked I feel this would not have belonged there. What we have is a completely different issue. A man who found a way to legally commit murder in the guise of giving legitimate procedures.
Completely agree on the obsession with celebrity gossip. I think the world would be a better place if we stopped slavering for every morsel of info about the lives of people who are on TV. It's none of our business.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 11, 2013 23:16:54 GMT 1
Killing babies that are already born alive is not abortion, it's murder. Plain and simple. There is a difference and I am so sickened by that article that I will admit I read the first two paragraphs and merely skimmed the rest.
And I won't say anything more because I refuse to get mired in this tired old debate about abortion again.
But this 'man' on trial is not an abortion doctor - he's a murderer.
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Post by Battlechantress on Apr 12, 2013 2:20:57 GMT 1
I wonder sometimes if Clint just starts these threads while setting a timer with kerosene and matches on hand.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 12, 2013 2:46:35 GMT 1
Clint, equating this with the abortion crowd would be like us saying that just because some right-to-life nutjob bombed a planned parenthood clinic that you're going to do the same.
Personally, I don't like abortion, but the genie's out of the bottle and I find a clinic (legit, not this abomination in the links) to be preferable to a coat hanger in a back alley. The morality behind it is between the woman, the doc, and God. Not my place to judge.
As for the piece of shit in the links... if he's found guilty, I say hang his worthless hide.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 12, 2013 4:49:30 GMT 1
Lily & Linders: I'm glad we agree.
Chantress: I start these threads because these are issues I care about. You guys are my friends, so I want to see what you think. This one I started more out of information than anything else. The news media has not been covering it, and I thought everyone ought to know.
Iron - I'll PM you about your thoughts there.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Apr 12, 2013 10:24:40 GMT 1
Clint - I wonder if we do agree? Maybe I mis-read your original post - but it almost looked as if you were saying that all abortion situations are like this one and that abortion and the murder of live, post-birth babies is the same thing - but it's not.
As I stated, killing babies that have already been born and are alive outside the womb is murder - there's a human being there, and killing it is murder.
It is not the same as abortion.
Therefore, in my opinion, this so-called 'doctor' is not an abortion doctor the way abortion doctors should be - he's a murderer and that is different - and despicable - and I'll agree with Iron here. If this PoS is guilty of killing babies after they're born, then he's the worst kind of killer and does not deserve mercy. Though I wonder if tossing him into a general population prison with a sign around his neck saying "I killed babies" might make better punishment than a quick hanging?
Sorry if I sound vicious, but... if he's guilty of this, then he's disgusting.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Apr 12, 2013 12:03:15 GMT 1
Clint - I wonder if we do agree? Maybe I mis-read your original post - but it almost looked as if you were saying that all abortion situations are like this one and that abortion and the murder of live, post-birth babies is the same thing - but it's not. As I stated, killing babies that have already been born and are alive outside the womb is murder - there's a human being there, and killing it is murder. It is not the same as abortion. Therefore, in my opinion, this so-called 'doctor' is not an abortion doctor the way abortion doctors should be - he's a murderer and that is different - and despicable - and I'll agree with Iron here. If this PoS is guilty of killing babies after they're born, then he's the worst kind of killer and does not deserve mercy. Though I wonder if tossing him into a general population prison with a sign around his neck saying "I killed babies" might make better punishment than a quick hanging? Sorry if I sound vicious, but... if he's guilty of this, then he's disgusting. Having grown up in a prison town (my father was one of the guards), I can tell you that the hanging would make sure he was removed from society permanently. Most convicts wouldn't care. Some of them even would give him extra "street-cred" if his crimes were known.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Apr 12, 2013 14:40:57 GMT 1
Lily - We agree that he's a murderer. That's as far as I was taking it.
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