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Post by Clint Johnston on Feb 18, 2013 18:40:50 GMT 1
My facebook status from earlier today: Saw a daily show segment with the head of OIC "Office of Islamic Cooperation" and before the guest caught on to just how silly the interviewer was going to be, he says to "stop killing terrorists, because for every one that is killed, ten more will be created." This does not make sense to me. So we should call it quits and say "no harm no foul, sorry about uncle achmed" and they'll reciprocate? It may be my American upbringing, but this seems like "Come shoot us in the face" to me.The video in question: on.cc.com/11QKgD5
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Post by jklinders on Feb 18, 2013 18:48:31 GMT 1
Yeah Comedy Central is kinda bitchy about showing web content in Canada. So I can't see the clip. Fighting terrorism in the way that it is being done right now is kinda like fighting a hydra without a torch. Lacking a better idea I'm not going to argue against it though
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Post by A Normal Pathfinder on Feb 18, 2013 18:49:51 GMT 1
Death is pointless, but required.
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Post by Mister Buch on Feb 18, 2013 19:31:15 GMT 1
Required much more rarely than it's dealt. By all of us. Execution and assassination should always be the last possible resort, and there should never be any anger in the decision.
Whether you think God or man said it - respect H/him and take h/His words seriously: you should not kill. Very simple.
That probably looks very idealistic and ill-considered, but it's really not.
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Post by A Normal Pathfinder on Feb 18, 2013 20:08:54 GMT 1
Sometimes it's required....but why huh? Why can't we all just get along??? Damnit I just hate the world so much!!! Sometimes. Ohhh the guy is an atheist!!!! Ohhhh that guy is a different color!!!! I just hate it!!!
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Post by jklinders on Feb 18, 2013 20:21:33 GMT 1
Alright, since I could not view the video I substituted a bit of reading on the OIC. The wiki article I read on them was pretty clear that these folks are raising enough flags with Human Rights Watch that anything any of their members say is a little suspect.
To all appearances they are acting as a UN voting block to downplay offenses against the political opponents to Islamic states and play up things that their enemies in turn are doing to them.
In other words they need to be taken with a pretty big chunk of salt.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Feb 19, 2013 0:14:20 GMT 1
I like salt.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 19, 2013 2:03:54 GMT 1
The middle east is a real shithole of a place. If we were to back down and say "hey, no hard feelings", the terrorists over there would see it as a sign of weakness and be emboldened. The best way to deal with them is to hit them so hard that they won't dare to piss us off ('us' being generally used here). To be honest, we were doing well until someone got hit up by the Good Idea Fairy and tried to pull "nation building" and tried to bring the ME out of the Middle Ages mindset. In that region, tribalism is the rule and they make the Hatfields-McCoy feud look like a playground spat by comparison. If they weren't focused on hating the West and Israel, they'd be killing each other over shit that happened when Alexander was a toddler..
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Post by Cali on Feb 19, 2013 2:21:01 GMT 1
I'm starting to wonder if Iron has Guile's Theme on repeat wherever he works.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 19, 2013 3:16:16 GMT 1
Well Guile was an Airman like me. (So was Chuck Norris, btw; he was first exposed to martial arts while he was stationed in South Korea).
Seriously, though. I work with guys who've been on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, working with the locals. If all you have is politeness with no muscle to fall back on, you're pretty much fucked over there.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Feb 19, 2013 14:41:12 GMT 1
To be entirely fair, the west pretty much ignored them until Oil was discovered. Then everybody wanted to be friends, and wasn't too picky about who they hurt to get them. Not the smartest policy where people still remember who stole a goat 10 generations ago.
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Post by A Normal Pathfinder on Feb 19, 2013 15:03:06 GMT 1
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 19, 2013 15:33:55 GMT 1
To be entirely fair, the west pretty much ignored them until Oil was discovered. Then everybody wanted to be friends, and wasn't too picky about who they hurt to get them. Not the smartest policy where people still remember who stole a goat 10 generations ago. The main issue with the middle east is they're so tribal, there's only two ways to get around it: you either need an ayatollah or what I like to call an "ass-a-hole-a". Either you appeal to them out of religious duty, or you become so brutal that you force them in line. I'm oversimplifying a bit, but that's what it usually boils down to.
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Post by A Normal Pathfinder on Feb 19, 2013 17:51:54 GMT 1
Sooner or later we will run out of oil....it's not a question of if, but when...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Feb 19, 2013 18:13:45 GMT 1
And when that happens...Planet cracking.
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