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Post by A Normal Pathfinder on Jan 28, 2013 0:11:53 GMT 1
Id want something like (for a prequel) going back into the times of the protheans.... like you could play as javik....or the last prothean scientists... the ones that altered the keeper signal... or you could play as a prothean ship commander at the citadel when the reapers came through.... I would find this a very good game If bioware did that... what do u think.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 28, 2013 0:22:33 GMT 1
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 0:49:37 GMT 1
Sorry for prolonging the two threads, but I like the sound of that idea: the Prothean thing. It would be really interesting to have a game with non-human protagonists too - not to mention ones with questionable values, i.e. slavery. I hope Bioware listen to this kind of suggestion!
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Post by jklinders on Jan 28, 2013 0:51:07 GMT 1
I like the idea of prequels but have rarely seen them well enough done to compensate for the audience already knowing what the outcome is.
Gimme something about 2 or 3 generations after ME 3, just long enough after for the wackiness that was the multiple same endings of the third game to homogenize a bit and give us a proper aftermath game. With the reapers out of the picture and organics finding their own path it would open up new gameplay and politics that we have not yet really seen. Let's see what happens to the galaxy with a resurgent Krogan and whether or not Wrex is able to hold it together. Let's see the newly rebuilt Rannoch. Let's see how the balance of power changes now that all of the council races had their collective teeth kicked in.
This is the stuff that interests me.
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 0:59:05 GMT 1
Not for me. When you have an ending that varies depending on player choice, the worst thing in the world is to follow that with a sequel, which has a canon version of events,
I know, I know, I know ME3 famously didn't have much difference in its ending variations. But things like whether Wrex (or Wreav) is successful - and whether the genophage was cured - and whether the geth and quarians lived - and things like that. These should be up to our playthroughs and our imaginations, they should be the biggest reward for our actions and our interest over the course of the games. They should NOT be the backstory of some other game.
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If the game takes place AFTER ME3, it would be just like 'The Old Republic' and Revan. 'Thanks for playing our game and letting it change your life with the brilliance of its central character whose identity and destiny you shaped so may different ways ---- but here's the MMO sequel - Revan was male, white, had long, brown hair and played strictly light side at all times, and he fled to the unknown regions where a much more powerful Sith immediately apprehended him and threw him in prison, and everyone forgot about him for 300 years. He helps with sidequest 47-A.'
It would be just like that again. I don't want Wrex and Shepard and the rest to end up like Revan. And the galaxy should be massively different depending on such choices as the genophage, which krogan/s lead them afterwards and whether you destroy the synthetics, control them or make it St Patrick's Day every day. An ending that may or may not end with all life in the galaxy becoming a glowing green hybrid of man and robotics should not be sequal-able.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 28, 2013 1:01:10 GMT 1
My Revan was a China man...i dont know why!
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 1:03:16 GMT 1
My (male) Revan was also a member of the Asian-American community.
My female Revan was the one who looked exactly like a young Barbara Streisand.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 28, 2013 1:05:14 GMT 1
I never did play a FemRevan...
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Post by jklinders on Jan 28, 2013 1:07:38 GMT 1
Now that Shepard's story is done, I feel that Bioware is entitled to set their own canon. It's been done before. See the history of the Fallout games for more information. The problem with what was done with Revan is they mindfucked the fanbase by not finishing Revan's story before screwing around with it. I do have a problem with that, but now that Shepard's story is done, I feel that the canon and character who we were just borrowing from them can have an "official canon" and move forward from there.
It's only a problem if you actually bought into the notion that Shepard belonged to anyone other than Bioware. He/she didn't so I am not fussed about an an official canon being established for an aftermath at all. Again , I have always taken a pragmatic view about this stuff and never really believed in the whole Shepard is as much ours as theirs. It was always their, we were just playing in their playhouse.
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 1:11:58 GMT 1
Gorvar --- I think you missed out on a FAR superior love story for the romantic sidequest, then. Compare "Shut up and kiss me, you fool!" to "I'm sorry, this must sound ridiculous. I was thinking about... my wife. I can't... heh. I'm trying to remember her face. I can't remember what her face looked like! I'm sorry, I'm sure this is the wrong thing to say to you... I mean, is this normal?" The Carth/Revan dialogue was unbelievably good. I'm still waiting for a better romantic questline. The Liara stuff in 'Lair of the Shadowbroker' came close.... Also if you turn dark side, you HAVE to be female. if you're a guy Bastila says nothing and the romance effectively ends after she is captured in act 2. But if you're a woman who turns dark side, the third act is dominated by Carth trying to get over his abandonment issues and save you from yourself by being self-sacrificing... only for you to have to kill him (with your choice of evil glee, cowrdice or a last moment of regret for your fall) on the Star Forge as your very last act in the game.I really love the Carth romance storyline. Revan is female, as far as I care.
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 1:19:13 GMT 1
Lind, seriously. Is there anything we agree on these days? A canon ending for the sequel is the bane of roleplaying games. If you resent ME3 enough that you don't care whether its choices (yes, what little choice it had compared to free-er RPGs) count for anything, then sure - but that's beside the point. Whatever little care you may have for the decisions made in ME3 or the series (tell me if I'm getting you wrong here), those decisions exist, and the moment you put a sequel on there they don't exist any more. The original game / trilogy is now undone. All roleplaying in three entire games is now non-canon and nothing but AU indulgence becaude Wrex lived and Revan had long brown hair and buy the sequel and that's that. RPGs where the fate of the world is in your final decision should NOT have sequels*. It's just bad storytelling. * Unless the sequels take place on other worlds, or in the distant future, like Final Fantasy or Fable 1-2, for example.
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Post by jklinders on Jan 28, 2013 1:29:47 GMT 1
Way to misinterpret my post. How the hell are we friends when we(read you) are so able to talk past each other.
I don't resent Mass Effect 3. I just remember who owns it. Hint, it's not us. Just because I am OK with Bioware establishing an official canon, does not in the slightest imply that I feel that they somehow did wrong by this in the games they put out. I just don't like looking back to what is already known, when you can look forward into the unknown where there is a bit more anticipation to be had.
Gad, buddy, you really need to chill sometimes. Someone disagreeing with yo uis not worth getting as worked over as I have seen from you lately.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Jan 28, 2013 1:35:46 GMT 1
And people wondered why we hardly talked about Mass Effect anymore...
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Post by Mister Buch on Jan 28, 2013 1:35:56 GMT 1
Whoah, I really wasn't angry over this one. I think you're misreading my post as much as I am yours actually, (I think you're not getting my general meaning about the games either).
Seriously, I wasn't angry or trying to be aggressive about it. I have been recently yeah, with politics and stuff that I really care about (I don't think I was the only one, but...) but not here. I don't think I deserve that last post.
But I am getting out of here. I don't want to get into a personal argument with someone I like as much as you, especially when I suspect a LOT of it is down to miscommunication. But not just on my side, man.
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Post by jklinders on Jan 28, 2013 1:40:08 GMT 1
Your, right , I'll shut up now too.
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