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Post by Mister Buch on Oct 21, 2013 13:44:13 GMT 1
Aye aye, I don't slavishly obey reviews, but there are a lot of writers I usually agree with. I certainly don't trust positive game reviews anymore, sadly. But when it comes to movies, and negative reviews, I think I know where they're coming from.
And sometimes you can just tell when a movie is - in your opinion - going to be a load of smeg. I don't like to judge stuff I haven't seen, but I'm really not hopeful for this remake of Carrie. I don't like anyone involved with it, I read some points against it that were very hard to argue with, and I saw clips. If I see it, it WILL be with an open mind! But I don't hold out hope.
I wasn't trying to start any arguments here, just saying. And Lily and I disagree a lot on this stuff, right? I will never forget the Resident Evil debacle.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Oct 21, 2013 16:52:29 GMT 1
Like I never forgoet the your mum debacle.
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Post by Mister Buch on Oct 21, 2013 16:58:13 GMT 1
The my mum debacle never forgets you either Gorvar.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Oct 21, 2013 17:04:35 GMT 1
I'll break your back and make you humble!
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Post by jklinders on Oct 21, 2013 20:10:21 GMT 1
I do have a slight beef with some remakes. When they are the shot by shot remake variety that add nothing to the original. Which is what I heard this Carrie was. Remakes on their own merits are not bad things but when they are done seemingly for the specific purpose of doing the same movie again with snazzier special effects, that is both lazy and pointless. if you are going to remake something, add to it. Otherwise, please leave it alone. The problem is not with stories being similar to one another, as Lily said, there are a lot of stories that have similarities but when you are copying something line by line to make a quick lazy buck, that annoys me.
Having said that, I never saw either of them and don't really intend to. Stephen King is sharing the top spot with Tolkien as the most overrated author I have ever read. I have read a fair sample of his books and the best I can say about them is mostly....meh. It and a couple of his Gunslinger books ran the gamut from passable to pretty good but the rest for me at least were crap. Therefore I try to avoid annoying myself with half baked adaptations of his work, seeing as nearly all of his TV and movie adaptations made the books look like masterworks.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Oct 21, 2013 22:13:34 GMT 1
You did NOT just diss Tolkien.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Oct 21, 2013 22:33:34 GMT 1
As someone who read Tolkein...yeah, he can diss bout it. World building, awesome. Telling an actual story? Heeeeeell no. I still dont even know how he did the Hobbit without it being so cluttered like the other novels. Its like the same reason why War and Peace is so long is because the author adds entire family trees in there for no reason.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 21, 2013 23:04:46 GMT 1
You did NOT just diss Tolkien. Not the first time here and definitely not the last. Decent world building. Good history. But sadly it is plagiarized from several different mythologies underpinned by a prose that seemed intent on slowing things down whenever anything resembling tension started to happen. See the Tom Bombadill episode for more details. A close to 100 page detour that went nowhere. The whole set read more like a tourist brochure than an adventure novel. We would not have modern fantasy without him but egad man, how can anyone read that cover to cover and not see the problems with his writing.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 21, 2013 23:07:36 GMT 1
As someone who read Tolkein...yeah, he can diss bout it. World building, awesome. Telling an actual story? Heeeeeell no. I still dont even know how he did the Hobbit without it being so cluttered like the other novels. Its like the same reason why War and Peace is so long is because the author adds entire family trees in there for no reason. See the Hobbit was a book where he did shit right. And it was his first book. I nicely contained story that had some nice action set pieces, good tension and...acceptable dialogue. I think it helped that he wrote the Hobbit for a younger audience. Tolkien did not seem to be very comfortable with more adult themes.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Oct 21, 2013 23:47:05 GMT 1
LOTR needs more banging.
-Gorvar 2013
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Post by jklinders on Oct 21, 2013 23:49:56 GMT 1
LOTR needs more banging. -Gorvar 2013 And there is our movie review tagline.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Oct 21, 2013 23:51:39 GMT 1
Aye aye, I don't slavishly obey reviews... That is good... And sometimes you can just tell when a movie is - in your opinion - going to be a load of smeg. I don't like to judge stuff I haven't seen, but I'm really not hopeful for this remake of Carrie. I don't like anyone involved with it, I read some points against it that were very hard to argue with, and I saw clips... What points, specifically, turned you off on this movie? What was said? And which clips? I wasn't trying to start any arguments here, just saying. And Lily and I disagree a lot on this stuff, right? I will never forget the Resident Evil debacle. Is that the only reason you're disagreeing with me on this? And I wasn't trying to start arguments either - I just have this weird need to know what it is that you refer to - simply saying "I've read some points..." does not answer that... maybe if I knew what points you refer to I'd be able to see it more from your view? I do have a slight beef with some remakes. When they are the shot by shot remake variety that add nothing to the original. Which is what I heard this Carrie was. Heard from whom? Because I saw both versions - now, granted, it's been some years since I saw the original one starring Sissy Spacek, but... I remember enough of it to know that a fair bit was changed / updated / restored to be closer to the original novel. It was not a shot-by-shot remake.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Oct 21, 2013 23:57:04 GMT 1
LOTR needs more banging. -Gorvar 2013 And there is our movie review tagline. LOTR needs more Dinosaurs. And banging. -Gorvar 2013 Truth be told i like the Jackson films because they pretty much streamlined the source material, for better and for worse.
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Post by Mister Buch on Oct 22, 2013 1:17:25 GMT 1
Lily I don't think I have to justify and provide sources for everything I said. I think this movie looks bad and I'd be very surprised if I'm wrong on this one. I agree that my opinion is less valid than yours, but that doesn't mean that it's completely invalid or that we can't agree to disagree, man. We just have different taste in movies, is all.
At least you're not telling me you like the Transformers movies, a la Knightfall 1138. You don't see him around here much these days because I cut off his hands. I apologised, you know, but - I don't feel sorry for him.
On the other topic - I think Tolkein is crazy over-rated too, much as I like his stuff. I haven't read any King, but that's only because I've seen some of his movies, you know!
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Post by Cali on Oct 22, 2013 1:38:48 GMT 1
Guys, you do know that when you tell somebody in a casual conversation that "you aren't trying to argue", it only raises suspicion and increases tension to both parties even more, right? I mean we're all friends, right?
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