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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 23, 2011 1:17:48 GMT 1
To answer your question (subject), fuck no. He's manipulative, megalomaniacal, and an all around douche. I'm pretty sure Aria is more trustworthy than TIM.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 23, 2011 1:20:48 GMT 1
I thought he was an interesting character and very well-payed by Sheen, but he was also a bit confusing and cartoonish (his glowing eyes, his Scrooge McDuck style limitless funds) for my liking. I wish he had been a straight-up main villain, perhaps.
Certainly don;t like or trust him personally. In the game he tricks you several times. But he also gives you a great deal of freedom, a good crew and one of his best spaceships, so you have to appreciate that.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 23, 2011 1:24:12 GMT 1
He's one my favorite guys to hate. So I'll bite even though there are probably a tarrabyte or 2 of text I've written expressing my hatred for TIM. This paradoxically makes him a great character. Characters are great when they can inspire strong emotion in regards to them or the idea of them.
In my opinion TIM's cheese started slipping off it's cracker with the First Contact War. It started off innocently enough. Pro human is really not the same as anti everything else after all. But by ME 1 Cerberus is up to it's tits in every branch of unethical and just plain dangerous research imaginable.
Every hint of dialogue point to there being 2 real parts to Cerberus. Those projects he personally oversees and those where he just tells a flunky "get me results or else." You experience the former first hand in ME 2 and a whole bunch of the latter in ME 1. it's great for plausible deniability but it sucks balls for control and oversight. Evil is glossed over as necessary when there are results. Mistakes are covered up, denied and have excuses made for them. In other words no one takes responsibility for any of the bad crap that happens and that is the way TIM set it up. The novels from what I have heard show much of the same attitude. On this basis alone TIM deserves a bullet between the eyes.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence suggesting that TIM sacrificed the colonies in ME 2 just to have a chance of getting Collector tech. Whether that's the case or not we do know that he has extensive control over much of the top brass in the Alliance and he did not use that influence to get the Alliance moving on the Collector threat. He's running his own high risk Batman Gambit and playing with Reaper tech to boot. Not one instance of using intact Reaper tech has come to good. Reverse engineering ala the Thanix cannon is one thing but actual Reaper tech? NO.
Looks like his hubris is catching up to him in the 3rd game. He deserves it.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 23, 2011 1:37:17 GMT 1
I really hope we get to bring him down, one way or the other, in ME3.
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Post by MarianneClaus on Aug 23, 2011 1:50:15 GMT 1
I really hope we get to bring him down, one way or the other, in ME3. Agreed. It's a credit to the writing that we all feel so strongly on this subject.
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Post by Knightfall on Aug 23, 2011 1:54:00 GMT 1
Ironic, because I just heard a radio commercial for a car service station called Midas, and Martin Sheen was doing the voiceover for it. Their slogan is "Trust the Midas touch," so it was kinda unsettling. xD
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Post by Clint Johnston on Aug 23, 2011 5:31:20 GMT 1
I liked his character alright. The comics offered a little info on his backstory, but I'd have to have more before I could decide if I hated him.
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Post by Knightfall on Aug 23, 2011 9:37:09 GMT 1
Honestly, I trusted the guy up until the end, when all my crewmembers started giving me the "Gee, I don't know if that was such a good idea" speech. But, I mean, he brings you back to life, supplies you with one of the finest ships in the galaxy, practically sets you up with the space version of Ocean's Eleven, all with the intention of stopping a mortal threat that no one in Citadel Space and beyond is taking seriously. He sets you up in tough spots, but he always gives a logical reason: "You're getting shot at? So what? You're a space marine."
There's the problem with his ethics, but then you have to ask yourself, "If Hitler, after everything he did, was the only person on the planet who could save it from destruction, would you help him?"
/Twilight Zone xD
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Aug 23, 2011 12:45:50 GMT 1
I like him in a well-written antagonist sort of a way. Personally I don't trust him, but at the same time he's decently written enough to make him more well rounded. Also his motives were kinda interesting to look at, unlike a few other villains that was flat and evil to the point of silliness (Eg: Osino and Meredith in some cases).
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Post by jklinders on Aug 23, 2011 12:48:35 GMT 1
Everything was too perfect. Kelly Chambers was handpicked to be as nice and irrepressibly perky as possible. And she loves aliens too. The crew was stacked with Shepard worshippers. But none of them mattered. I was getting a weird itch in the back of my head over the whole thing.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Aug 23, 2011 13:00:05 GMT 1
Everything was too perfect. Kelly Chambers was handpicked to be as nice and irrepressibly perky as possible. And she loves aliens too. The crew was stacked with Shepard worshippers. But none of them mattered. I was getting a weird itch in the back of my head over the whole thing. That's actually really clever, linders. I honestly never thought of anything like that, and Bioware probably didn't either, but it does make a lot of sense. Something always seemed off about Chambers to me, and that's likely it (Would a sane person express a desire to hug an AI, though? There's definitely something wrong with her.)
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Aug 23, 2011 13:03:18 GMT 1
You and me both JK. That's why I even less likely to trust him.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 23, 2011 13:05:05 GMT 1
I was actually saying over and over to myself "It's a Trap!! It's a Trap!!!" to remind me what a bunch of pricks I was working with because they were like Stepford nice.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 23, 2011 15:23:30 GMT 1
I wondered if he had deliberately put non-racists and heroic types in my crew as well. It may have been deliberate in Bioware's mind.
But Kelly Chambers can bugger off. I don't trust her an inch. Honestly, the Illusive Man seems more trustworthy. Something about her 'My sister has a cat sanctuary but she likes dogs too' thing doesn't wash with me.
She claims to be utterly liberal and appears to have no particular skills (other than a few years as a condescending counsellor - believe me those are a dime a dozen) so why is she on this top of the line ship, run by an anti-alien terrorist organisation?
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Aug 23, 2011 16:21:47 GMT 1
This is why I take the arms length approach to her. I'm surprised that she didn't bother doing a psyche check on Shepard...
And I'm starting to regret letting her feeding the fishes
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