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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 20, 2011 17:32:54 GMT 1
So I'm trying to do a scene that has a theme similar to the Han Solo/Greedo incident, but to do it the way I want requires Ian to have a pocket gun. My question is if anyone here has seen any references to holdout weapons that would be akin to a snub--nosed revolver, Walther PPK, and the like.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Aug 20, 2011 17:38:39 GMT 1
Well, the setting does have folding weapons. I can't recall anything like a holdout, though.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 20, 2011 17:53:30 GMT 1
Same here. My thinking is that while guns fold up to tiny dimensions, the time it takes for them to get unfolded is more than enough for someone to put a hole in Ian's head.
I was toying with the idea of Ian using a knife since they'll be pretty close, but I'm trying not to make him out to be a uber badass.
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Post by Cali on Aug 20, 2011 18:06:55 GMT 1
In Cyan Steel, Brooklyn Seltzer's secondary weapon is an Araike Technologies snub-nosed holdout pistol which is separated into three segments that can easily be assembled together. It's a revolver of sorts, meaning it has five chambers where small, two inch heat sinks can be stored and used. Each of these heat sinks allows two shots to be fired before overheat, effectively making it a ten round weapon.
I honestly don't see how the idea can't work. The idea of a heat sink revolver that I came up with might be a little bit hokey, but still. The idea of a Mass Effect 1 type holdout pistol does seem to be a little iffy, considering that if the pistol were small enough it would have a bit of trouble cooling off.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 20, 2011 18:18:51 GMT 1
The idea I have is for a the holdout to be roughly the size of a PPK, ME 1 heat sink type, good for only five or six rounds before overheating. Also, due to the shorter barrel and the quirks of a mass effect weapon being that small, it'll be less powerful than a standard pistol. For example, if the standard pistol of the Alliance is comperable to a .45, the holdout will be more like a .380 or .32.
Or I could just give him a noisy cricket... (I kid, I kid.)
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Post by jklinders on Aug 20, 2011 20:39:16 GMT 1
To be fair we only actually see weapons that would be used in a straight out combat scenario. Holdouts would not be part of a standard combat kit in those situations.
With all the clandestine organizations kicking around and the need for concealed weaponry that would entail I see little reason why a holdout of some kind would not have been developed.
I say go nuts, it's far more likely to exist than not.
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Post by Octo on Aug 20, 2011 20:50:38 GMT 1
IIRC, mass effect fields are not triggered at point blank distances, at least background-wise. That's something to consider in this, too. So that might even expand the market for hidden weapons...
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 20, 2011 21:06:10 GMT 1
From the Codex....
Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 21, 2011 20:37:55 GMT 1
To be fair we only actually see weapons that would be used in a straight out combat scenario. Holdouts would not be part of a standard combat kit in those situations. With all the clandestine organizations kicking around and the need for concealed weaponry that would entail I see little reason why a holdout of some kind would not have been developed. I say go nuts, it's far more likely to exist than not. Very true. I have a tendancy to over think things, I'm afraid, lol. Anyways I'll go with it. Hell, I'm going to be having Ian ask for some mods on a rifle that show his 21st century mentality, but would make sense from his point of view. I'm just worried about jumping the shark, as it were.
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 22, 2011 4:59:28 GMT 1
The fact that you're paying attention to this kind of detail speaks well of you as a writer, I think.
I don't have a clue what you're all talking about, but I say you can get away with introducing a hitherto-unmentioned type of pistol without jumping any sharks. This is the IP where the guy was brought back from death by pouring blue stuff into his heart, after all.
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Post by jklinders on Aug 22, 2011 12:49:02 GMT 1
The fact that you're paying attention to this kind of detail speaks well of you as a writer, I think. I don't have a clue what you're all talking about, but I say you can get away with introducing a hitherto-unmentioned type of pistol without jumping any sharks. This is the IP where the guy was brought back from death by pouring blue stuff into his heart, after all. Just to help you out here Buch, a holdout pistol is a small easily concealed handgun. Kinda like the purse blaster that Leia used in the opening scene in Star Wars Episode 4. Though possibly even smaller. Compact low power and easily concealed are the hallmarks of these toys.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 22, 2011 15:06:04 GMT 1
The fact that you're paying attention to this kind of detail speaks well of you as a writer, I think. I don't have a clue what you're all talking about, but I say you can get away with introducing a hitherto-unmentioned type of pistol without jumping any sharks. This is the IP where the guy was brought back from death by pouring blue stuff into his heart, after all. Another example would be the Walther PPK that James Bond used to carry or the classic "snubby" revolver. Walther PPK Caliber: .32 ACP/7.65x17mm SR Browning or .380 ACP/9x17mm Browning Barrel Length: 8.5 cm Overall Length: 15.5 cm Weight unloaded: .59 kg Capacity: 7+1 (7.65mm), 6+1 (9x17mm) Smith & Wesson Model 442 Caliber: .38 Special Barrel length: 4.7 cm Overall length: 16 cm Weight unloaded: .425 kg Capacity: 5
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Post by Mister Buch on Aug 22, 2011 15:14:28 GMT 1
A small gun. I got it. xD
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Aug 22, 2011 15:25:47 GMT 1
It's possible, with the folding mechanism technology and Mass Effect universe not being a completely harden in Sci-Fi accuracy. (That's a topic for another day).
Also as JK said, the canon trilogy was mostly based within a military battlefield, where concealed weaponry are not military issued nor Shepard and her squad needed those type of guns in most mission scenarios.
As long you can show the weapon mechanic itself being pluasable within the ME verse, while writing that scenario, you can get away with it from most canon nit-pickers. *cough*Buch*cough*
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Aug 22, 2011 15:38:53 GMT 1
That's my plan, do something that's against the grain, but explain the reasoning behind it.
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