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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Jan 30, 2012 8:12:28 GMT 1
Insult to the writers at this board is an understatement Glow. It's more like they pissing on all of us, especially with Buch, Clint, Knight... and pretty much everyone here.
Damn it! I wish I could draw my comics faster at this moment.
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Post by Cali on Jan 30, 2012 8:38:19 GMT 1
So, apparently, the new Mass Effect novel is out tomorrow, and a few people have already got their hands on it and are compiling a list of pretty glaring canon mistakes it makes. It sounds more like a Mass Effect fanfiction (and that's an insult our writers on this site don't deserve), than an official novel, with characters who died inexplicably coming back, bizarrely young protagonists, people "growing up" from autism and mistreatment of biotics that would make Kye-Jen proud... Jesus Christ, that list is unbelievable. Though to be honest, it's William C. Deitz that's writing it. The man is constantly writing around three sci-fi novels at a time, most for franchises/lore he hasn't created himself. I can see why he'd have difficulty keeping track and remembering Mass Effect's most delicate details. Not trying to justify it though. Those inconsistencies are pretty glaring.
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Post by Knightfall on Jan 30, 2012 9:12:52 GMT 1
It's a tough situation. Like Cali pointed out, we are dealing with an author who was likely given a refresher course on the universe and told to run with it. Really, when you bring in an outside author, you can expect some inconsistencies. Especially if they're not a gamer, possibly not big fans of the property, etc. I'm not sure whether or not the blame should fall to the author or the BioWare/Del Rey editors whose job it is to catch things like that.
Tie-in novels are huge opportunities to really flesh out the universe and pave the way for future games. Makes the whole experience that much more immersive. I think it kinda behooves BioWare to really make sure stuff like that doesn't happen. They also have a fanbase that is perfectly willing to pick out these errors free of charge. Kick them all some advanced reading copies and get those errors all tied up. There really is no excuse.
Then again, Drew Karpyshyn fraking wrote KotOR and his Revan tie-in novel couldn't have gotten more things wrong. They should really take those things seriously, at least as much as LucasArts does; say what you will, but canon inconsistencies in their novels are frighteningly infrequent. Karpyshyn is the biggest offender I've read so far.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Jan 30, 2012 10:40:35 GMT 1
I really hate to say this, but honestly the blame should be pin down to BioWare. As if I had enough negative comments about them, now I had to add more fuel to it. If they really cared about their IP, they should keep a close eye on such mistakes and inconsistantcy of the lore. Instead they drop the ball on this one.
Btw here's a small spot of sample from the said book.
Working with the speed and certainty of the experienced operative that he was, Leng placed the pickups in locations that, when taken together, would provide complete coverage of everything that took place in the apartment. Then, having placed a wireless tap under the comm console, he was done. Or should have been done. But Leng was something of an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was. That’s why he checked the cupboards, located some cereal, and had breakfast before putting everything back exactly as it had been. It was his apartment now, meaning a place where everything that happened would be known to him, and to Cerberus. The thought pleased him and Leng was still smiling as he left.
Page 64. And I don't know where to start.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jan 30, 2012 16:28:26 GMT 1
Wow, that's... not great. Is there really a reason we needed this book, or did BioWare just want more money to fuel their cocaine habits?
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Post by Clint Johnston on Jan 30, 2012 16:41:05 GMT 1
Woooow. So not reading it.
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Post by lieden on Jan 30, 2012 20:13:34 GMT 1
I had borrowed the first ME novel a couple of years back, read some 6-7 pages, then returned it to the library. Ik. So there's not much of a disappointment for me here. - but you would think they would have a bit more respect for their own franchise... *shrugs*
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 30, 2012 20:32:53 GMT 1
Im confused....I mean i thought Blizzards Warcraft novels had problems but THIS.....Jesus.
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Post by Cali on Jan 30, 2012 20:41:40 GMT 1
Blizzard's StarCraft novels were actually terrible when it came to toeing the line with canon. In fact, around 80% of StarCraft's lore was more or less retconned by the time StarCraft II released, and followed what was written in the books.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 30, 2012 22:09:32 GMT 1
Never read the Starcraft novels, shame to hear they were quite bad. I can say Warcraft books wise, the early ones and most novels written by Christie Golden are good. I still say Lord of the Clans and the Shattering are amazing.
Halo's novels are pretty good to, Fall of Reach I enjoyed reading.
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Post by jklinders on Jan 30, 2012 22:33:14 GMT 1
I really hate to say this, but honestly the blame should be pin down to BioWare. As if I had enough negative comments about them, now I had to add more fuel to it. If they really cared about their IP, they should keep a close eye on such mistakes and inconsistantcy of the lore. Instead they drop the ball on this one. Btw here's a small spot of sample from the said book. Working with the speed and certainty of the experienced operative that he was, Leng placed the pickups in locations that, when taken together, would provide complete coverage of everything that took place in the apartment. Then, having placed a wireless tap under the comm console, he was done. Or should have been done. But Leng was something of an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was. That’s why he checked the cupboards, located some cereal, and had breakfast before putting everything back exactly as it had been. It was his apartment now, meaning a place where everything that happened would be known to him, and to Cerberus. The thought pleased him and Leng was still smiling as he left.Page 64. And I don't know where to start. Someone paid him to write that? I mean real money? This make Twilight look like Shakespeare. Or at least Shakespeare's half cousin three times removed.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 30, 2012 23:15:30 GMT 1
I just read an blog on the Mass Effect Wiki and came across this. Right now, I simply can't get the Kai Leng/cereal scene out of my head. Leng sneaks into Anderson's house to bug it, and when he is about to leave decides to (not kidding here) just sit there and eat his cereal. The cold blooded killer from Retribution and soon to be ME3, one of Cerberus' top operatives, just sits there and steals Anderson's cereal. There are no words to describe how absurd this scene is. You could be thinking "maybe it would sound better in context" but in reality it just makes it much, much, MUCH worse. Turns out, Kai Leng is an adrenaline drunky. Eating other people's cereal in their house makes the house his in his mind, a form of marking his territory. So Kai Leng is just like a cat, except instead of using urine to mark his territory, he uses cereal. He probably gets a raging boner by doing other people's laundry. masseffect.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_blog:Aleksandr_the_Great/How_Awful_was_Mass_Effect:_Deception%3F&diff=234239&oldid=prev
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jan 31, 2012 4:31:40 GMT 1
It's kind of cool to know they still eat cereal in Mass Effect, though, and not like, hyper nutrient paste or black pudding or holograms.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jan 31, 2012 10:59:18 GMT 1
Holographic meatloaf to be exact! Wonder if they still drink from an Red Solo Cup still...I mean they're cheap and disposable and in 14 years decompossible.
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Post by Mr. Glow on Jan 31, 2012 14:57:40 GMT 1
What did I just watch?
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