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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Feb 18, 2010 7:37:42 GMT 1
Not matter what happens in ME2 at the end, Shepard will probably go rogue and keeping their head low between ME2 and ME3. While blowing up the base and flipping the middle finger at the Illusive Man seem to speed up the process of breaking up their alliance, the ending where you can keep the base intact and making the Illusive Man very pleased, it doesn't seem like they'll be on good terms for long as well. The ending where Shepard threatens the Illusive Man that s/he'll bail out if he uses the resources for something other than a countermeasure againist the Reapers and how the Illusive Man calmly shrug off Shepard's threats, seems like a good indication that later on, their partnership will turn sour in time. So the starting point would be the same but with differnt variation, just for the sake of making the continuity and the game branching a lot easier.
As how the intro would play out, I'll give a cookie to BioWare if they made a big homage to Baldur's Gate 2 with Shepard being captured and interrogated by Cerberus in a Jack Bauer style before making a jailbreak along with his/her captured crew from ME2. The continuity between from ME2 and ME3 reminds me of BG2 for some reason.
The Mass Effect: Retribution novel is not released yet but I've suspect from the blurb, Cerberus will play a important role in ME3 again. This time in a negative light that probably involves fighting againist Cerberus.
For those that kept their Love Interest from ME1, I don't think they'll be reunited until ME3 kicks in. Well not in a "we'll fight and die together spirit' kind of a way. A future DLC might let them reunited briefly but it doesn't change the fact they'll have to be seperated for a quite a while. With Liara, it's obviously that she's heading into a internal battle with the Shadow Broker that Shepard can't get too involved at that time nor swaying her away from it. As for Kaidan/Ashley, they are too committed with their loyalty and duty with the Alliance. Same goes to Shepard in his/her own cause. In other words, all of them are committed to their duties that they cannot be reunited right after the aftermath of the end game in ME2.
Like the others that mention before, the game plot would be about "Gondor calls for aid" situation with building an army and rally under one banner againist the reapers.
Not sure what to think something else with the theory. I'll think more up later.
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renegadepoint
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Post by renegadepoint on Feb 18, 2010 8:56:21 GMT 1
So, I watched the ending cutscene again today (have a save file right before the last boss for when I feel like kicking its ass) and I realized something I hadn't before: Shepard now has absolute proof of the Reapers existence. At the end, the data pad Shepard looks at has a picture of the Collector station, and of a Reaper. Seeing as how EDI was able to link with the Collector systems, it seems very plausible (and likely) that she(I know EDI is an AI and has no gender, but it sounds female) downloaded all the data that the Collectors had on the Reapers. With that kind of proof, Shepard should have no problems getting everyone on his side against the Reapers. You mean the same counsel that was almost killed by a reaper and still denies its existence? I'm pretty sure they're just stupid and wont believe any thing.
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Post by Raidos on Feb 18, 2010 16:12:11 GMT 1
You mean the same counsel that was almost killed by a reaper and still denies its existence? I'm pretty sure they're just stupid and wont believe any thing. They could continue denying it before because they had no way of proving that Sovereign wasn't just a super-advanced Geth ship. Or maybe they do believe Sovereign was a Reaper, but don't publicly admit it because they believed him to have been the only one since there was no proof that more would come, and they don't want to start an unecessary panic. Shepard has proof to counter both of those possibilities: the data pad proves the Reapers' existence and most likely contains some sort of information on their numbers, or at least on the "cycle". If they do continue to deny it, though, I'm sure Shepard would have no problems broadcasting the information to the masses himself.
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Post by Mister Buch on Feb 18, 2010 16:36:41 GMT 1
Yeah that bloody Council watched a reaper trying to kill them from the windows of the Ascension, and still don't believe in them. In ME2 when they told me they still don't believe, I honestly thought they were kidding at first.
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Post by Knightfall on Feb 18, 2010 18:08:56 GMT 1
That would've pissed me off something fierce had I not left the original Council to die. I kinda accepted the new guys' disbelief, but if the original Council had said that, I would have wanted to kill them right then. After everything they did in fighting with Shepard every inch of the way in the first game. =(
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Post by Hodster on Feb 19, 2010 0:49:45 GMT 1
Yeah that bloody Council watched a reaper trying to kill them from the windows of the Ascension, and still don't believe in them. In ME2 when they told me they still don't believe, I honestly thought they were kidding at first. It doesn't matter if they believe me or not cause for me they're dead ;D
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Post by Mr. Glow on Feb 19, 2010 1:13:02 GMT 1
I have a feeling the council's douchiness in Mass Effect 2 is just to justify Shepard leaving them to die in the default version of the game.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Feb 19, 2010 3:39:01 GMT 1
Even letting the coucil die at the end of ME1, it still sucks as the new human coucil even refused to see you and there's a good chance you might not even get your spectre status back. At least with the old coucil, they give your spectre status back... if you can refrain yourself from flipping the middle finger.
Still either way... they are all idiots. As Ashley once said, "I hate politics."
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Post by Hodster on Feb 19, 2010 10:13:44 GMT 1
My personal Shepard has a new multi species Council but they think I told the 5th fleet to not save the old one... don't know why they think that We had to focus all fire on Sovereign. But I still got my Specter status back it's just they want me to stay in the Terminus Systems.
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Post by jklinders on Feb 21, 2010 23:48:48 GMT 1
Hi there, been lurking through the fan fic forever but never posted.
If I was to guess how things may start out in ME3, I think it is going to be with Shepard trying to put together his/her own private army/fleet in the Terminus systems. The surviving members of your combat party make the seed fro a pretty darn powerful merc organization. Maybe Shepard has enough proof to convince the council now, maybe not, he still has no committed allies and needs to act.
Pure renegades seem to have burned an awful lot of bridges so they should have it a bit harder.
the only thing I really want as a paragon is to force feed that turian councillors word back to him, air quotes and all. "AH yes Reapers" indeed.
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Post by yargling on Feb 22, 2010 0:07:15 GMT 1
Hi there, been lurking through the fan fic forever but never posted. If I was to guess how things may start out in ME3, I think it is going to be with Shepard trying to put together his/her own private army/fleet in the Terminus systems. The surviving members of your combat party make the seed fro a pretty darn powerful merc organization. Maybe Shepard has enough proof to convince the council now, maybe not, he still has no committed allies and needs to act. Pure renegades seem to have burned an awful lot of bridges so they should have it a bit harder. the only thing I really want as a paragon is to force feed that turian councillors word back to him, air quotes and all. "AH yes Reapers" indeed. Jk! Its me, doug84 from the forum! ;D Glad to see you here mate!
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Post by jklinders on Feb 22, 2010 0:30:55 GMT 1
Glad to be here and see one of the few sane ones form the Bioware forums. I'm hiding over here for now. Too many crazy theories over there for the moment. Very glad to see a familiar eh face, poster .
Good times.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Feb 22, 2010 4:18:29 GMT 1
Hola Jk and welcome to the ME FanFic forums. I hope you enjoy your stay. If you want brownies, nag Mr. Buch. He has plenty of them Yes, I know what you meant at the BW forums, that's why I've don't post that much nowdays atm. It's pretty crazy over there in general plus the countless "Support Mr.X" threads all over the place. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice community but like Veetor in ME2, I do get pretty nervous around with lots of people on the internet. Especially with some of the more zeelious fans. (Shenko Shippers in the Kaidan Support thread, I'm look at ya! ) Anyways back to the topic, you made some fine interesting theories in about Shepard forming a powerful Merc organisation in ME3. Judging by the ending both the renegade and paragon endings, it's safe to say no matter which ending, Shepard is going to break up with Cerberus sooner or later if we're going to predict BioWare's methodology in the continuity of the game design. Either way, s/he has all the basic ingredients to make a Merc company or secret organisation. As for the formation of the organisation, it would be slightly similar to the formation of the Brotherhood of Steel from the Fallout series: Shepard and Co. got delusional with the Alliance and Cerberus, so s/he denounce their ties to them and took a big chunk of shipmates and crew along with them to the Terminus system, using the SR-2 Normandy as their home base. Since they are now alone without any sort of support from the Cerberus and they already cut off from the Alliance and the Council Government just to go underground and "disappear" from the system, they form an organisation that involves being a Mercenary for hire model, think of it as their bread and butter funds. Depending the alignment from ME2, if you're a renegade your organisation is known "getting the job done without any sort of questions." If you're a Paragon, your company is known to be villgelent, taking down scums by the end of the barrel gun... without questions. However behind the outside perception, lies in a secret organisation that acts as a countermeasure againist the reapers. Either way, the reputation of your organisation is close to having a cult status within the galaxy to the point that the Council, Alliance and especially Cerberus, are deeply concern. There's a good chance that they send someone out to find out about this "mysterious" organisation. Bonus points if the person in the question that investigate this "cult" organisation turns out to be Kaidan/Ashley. Cue the awkward silance follow by another arguement about pissing the Alliance off. And if they are you LI from ME1, double the fun. Anyways... I'm going overboard with it, sorry about it but your Merc organisation gave me ideas. Good theory.
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Post by Hodster on Feb 22, 2010 4:56:03 GMT 1
I do like this Merc organization idea, in fact this is what I've been thinking would happen that Shepard would make his/her own organization to fight the Reapers. If Shepard does do this I think one of it's jobs would be finding any Reaper Agents that could be around.
I can also see Shepard getting alot of allies that aren't the Council, Alliance or Cerberus such as somehow getting the Quarians and Geth to work together and have both back Shepard up. Having a alliance with Krogan if Wrex is alive. The Rachni if you saved them. I can also see Shepard through his merc work slowly uniting several factions in the Terminus together under his leadership or someone else such as Aria(who Shepard will convince to help him) and having a good bit of the Terminus Systems helping Shepard get ready for the Reapers.
If this does happen Shepard will defiantly have a large cult like fallowing in Citadel Space and in the Alliance.
Too help with funding it wouldn't surprise me if several companies and groups that Shepard helped along the way help fund his organization.
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Post by Mister Buch on Feb 22, 2010 6:40:18 GMT 1
Welcome Linders! Glad to have you around. How's that for Brownies?
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