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Post by jklinders on Oct 22, 2014 22:24:48 GMT 1
There was a series of shootings and attacks around Parliament Hill and Ottawa today. I could find out little except that a soldier Guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a memorial to the fallen of WWI whose bodies were not identified at burial was killed. One of the gunmen made his way into the House of Commons where he was shot by the Sergeant at Arms. Usually a ceremonial position you still need to be a badass to hold the post. By most accounts he is a fine diplomat as well as a fighter. I have no fucking idea what spurred this on. It looked like it was targeting both our military personal and our elected members. ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/sergeant-at-arms-kevin-vickers-credited-for-protection-181801693.html
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Oct 22, 2014 23:04:26 GMT 1
Damn. That poor soldier... and how scary is that, that the gunman managed to get all the way into the House of Commons before he was stopped??
Kudos to the Sergeant at Arms for stopping the shooter...
I hope they can find out what the shooters' motive was and how to stop it from happening again...
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Oct 22, 2014 23:15:16 GMT 1
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Post by Cali on Oct 23, 2014 0:38:49 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, Linders! Fuck, man. This is miserably fucked up.
First there was that horrendous incident in Winnipeg, and now this shit? Canada ain't having a good week. Goddamn.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 23, 2014 1:07:43 GMT 1
Main connection seems to be that that they are French Canadian Islam converts. Probably pissed off that Canada is joining the ISIS action. Much of Parliament Hill is open to the public so plugging security holes is not as easy as doing so at the White House. Still not much else known.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Oct 23, 2014 4:01:54 GMT 1
I believe that. Still, these events happened just after Canada decided to go after ISIS which I don't think is much coincidence. To those who lost a brother in arms and the families of the good people that were slain, I offer my condolences. To those tracking the fuckers responsible, I wish good hunting. As much as most of the U.S. tends to talk shit about Canada, I'm pretty familiar with your country's history and from what I know, I wouldn't pick a fight with Canada lightly.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 23, 2014 9:59:56 GMT 1
Prime Minister Harper seems to be pulling a page out of George Bush's playbook now. There is talk of giving CSIS (Canada's answer to the CIA) more powers to investigate external threats. But these were all Canadian born citizens who are following a fucked up ideology. I'm actually not certain if the same injunctions against spying on our own exist for CSIS as it does for the CIA, but I am having trouble connecting the dots here. I don't want to see a made in Canada "Patriot Act" here.
The gunner who was killed had a record, but it was fairly minor stuff with the most recent being 3 years ago. Not even 3 months served between the 2 charges that stuck.
One other shooter who is suspected of being the one who shot the soldier is at large.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Oct 23, 2014 12:23:15 GMT 1
Per wiki...
"There is no restriction in the CSIS Act on where CSIS may collect "security intelligence" or information relating to threats to the security of Canada. The agency may collect information on threats to Canada or Canadians from anywhere in the world. While CSIS is often viewed as a defensive security intelligence agency it is not a domestic agency. CSIS officers work domestically and internationally in their efforts to monitor and counter threats to Canadian security."
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Post by jklinders on Oct 23, 2014 20:00:48 GMT 1
Yeah, I thought as much but couldn't be arsed to look it up this morning. We don't have the same restrictions on the powers of our national agencies as the US alphabet agencies do. That comes with good and bad elements.
A few billion dollars were pissed into a shiny new headquarters for a different intelligence agency last and this year. Yes you read that right, billions. It's primary focus will be on Canadian citizens rather than external threats. Given a few more years Harper will fucking go full out forth riech in us I think.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 24, 2014 1:56:49 GMT 1
I guess I shouldn't act concerned or shocked the next time someone gets past the security perimeter into the White House. Rosie O'Donnell and her pack of busy bodies turning this into a political point about US gun control is so fucking stupid I want to lobotomize myself to relieve the pain. ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/rosie-odonnell-makes-controversial-remarks-ottawa-shooting-view-181145208.htmlWhat these morons fail to address is that this shit happened in a place with very strong gun control laws and if anything illustrates how idiotic the idea that gun control prevents crime is.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Oct 24, 2014 2:06:05 GMT 1
Truth. They fail to realize the premise that if someone wants another person dead bad enough, they'll find a way to make it happen. In purely technical terms, it's not that hard to kill someone and there are countless ways to do it ranging from old-fashioned manual throttling to weapons and well-timed "accidents". The only, purely logical, way to eliminate all violence and crime is to kill every last human on the planet. We're apex predators by virtue of our ingenuity and that trait is core to our nature.
Of note, Rosie O'Donnell doesn't seem to think her personal armed guards should have their weapons removed.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Oct 24, 2014 2:10:09 GMT 1
I found this on another forum. It got a bit dusty in my room when I saw it, if you catch my meaning.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Oct 24, 2014 2:33:30 GMT 1
Dumbasses. This shit can happen anywhere, no matter how strong the gun control laws and whatever; if a psycho with a desire to kill wants to kill, he/she will find a way to do it. Damn Soapbox Sadies. Can't they see this for what it is; a tragedy that needs to be acknowledged, but not used as a launching platform for whatever personal "Me Me Pay Attention To Me" compulsions some people have? Damn. What I took from that article was basically these talk-show hosts saying "Okay, something bad happened! Now let me spew off some arbitrary BS and use the shooting in Canada to back it up! It's all about me!" Also: I found this on another forum. It got a bit dusty in my room when I saw it, if you catch my meaning. Agreed. Such a powerful image - I love it. It's somewhat hauntingly beautiful, and now my eyes are leaking again.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 24, 2014 3:14:42 GMT 1
I found this on another forum. It got a bit dusty in my room when I saw it, if you catch my meaning. I recognize that cartoonist's work. He is Halifax's own Bruce MacKinnon. One of the best in his art in the entire world in my admittedly biased opinion. I've posted a couple of his other pieces here in the past in the 9/11 thread. he's got a distinctive style like no one else I have seen. My very favorite pieces of his are when he puts aside the snark to post memorials of this nature.
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Post by jklinders on Oct 24, 2014 3:23:18 GMT 1
On a possibly but not confirmed to be related note, some bloke was arrested in Downtown Halifax today on weapons charges for carrying a rifle. No shots fired and no one knows what he was on about but the timing reeks.
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