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Post by jklinders on Feb 27, 2014 20:07:36 GMT 1
I actually cannot see a practical police or military use for that toy.
It would be sickeningly useful for a particularly nasty bank robber or terrorist at a protest or something. Just a couple of shots to hurt (not necessarily kill) the maximum number of people and watch chaos erupt.
Not a fan of this toy at all.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 27, 2014 23:44:44 GMT 1
As a friend of mine said: " I sense a disturbance in the Force; as if thousands of personal injury lawyers saw this and had a collective orgasm."
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Feb 28, 2014 1:20:06 GMT 1
So....okay. Personally i'm okay with Game companies paying taxes to the Goverment ( as long tax money does go to road maintance and the like) as long as other major multi-million dollar companies also pay up...but to single out "Violent" video game companies? That's kinda lame...and stupid. What? We back during the Prohibition or something? It aint even my country!
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Post by Mister Buch on Feb 28, 2014 1:32:57 GMT 1
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Post by jklinders on Feb 28, 2014 2:01:55 GMT 1
That looks a lot like something that would go to pieces in a few seconds of even a half assed legal challenge. I'd almost pay to have front row seats to the dbacle of that one going to court.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 28, 2014 22:41:04 GMT 1
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Post by Mr. Glow on Feb 28, 2014 23:00:03 GMT 1
>mfw Americans need flags in all their public buildings so they don't forget what country they're in.
All irrelevant shitposting aside, however, who wears an American flag on a Mexican holiday? It's like going around on St. Patrick's Day dressed as a Redcoat or some shit.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Feb 28, 2014 23:54:22 GMT 1
Protected under 1st Amendment, but apparently free speech can be suppressed if enough thugs threaten violence.
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Post by jklinders on Mar 1, 2014 3:37:18 GMT 1
Many schools have dress codes. Of course this is different but there you have it. Many workplaces also have dress codes in place. Are we going to call 1st Amendment on that?
Fact is, many institutions and workplaces and yes schools have policies on dress. This is neither new nor inflammatory unless someone wants to make a statement about it.
I'll amend this slightly. Like all freedoms, free speech has reasonable limits. When the exercise of free speech is used to explicitly cause disruptions in one of the above institutions, the administrators of same should have good cause to limit them. All rights have limits when the exercise of them is specifically to cause unrest. What these little shits were doing was not a whole different than walking into a Christmas eve Mass and pissing on the manger scene in front of the parishoners. They got the expected reaction and are now crying victim. Fuck that.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Mar 1, 2014 4:35:15 GMT 1
I'm not excusing the asshats for picking a fight. By the same token, I want to know where the cops are when it comes to the freaking DEATH THREATS they're facing. A punch in the face would be warranted. But threatening people with criminal gangs attacking them and their families? I'd like to see where the authorities are when it comes to criminal actions of that nature. Reducto ad absurdium here, but it's akin to condoning an IRA car bombing of someone because they wore orange in a Belfast pub on St. Patrick's Day.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Mar 1, 2014 7:38:50 GMT 1
The school made the right call. They're between a rock and a hard place, and they sacrificed the right to free speech to protect the idiots from themselves. Is it right to tell patriotic kids to cover up? No. Was it the right decision under the circumstances? Yes.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Mar 1, 2014 11:24:46 GMT 1
Wow, and I thought the Flemish and the Walloons had problems.
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Post by jklinders on Mar 1, 2014 12:52:07 GMT 1
The cops probably respond each time in timely fashion. But as you yourself has mentioned in *ahem* other debates, the cops are under no "obligation" to respond to incidents as per some wacky court ruling which seems to make it easier for bad shit to happen. In any event, the schools are not going to have cops under retainer, they presumably have jobs and other duties too.
Never mind that though. Let's talk about the use of language and focus on what is clearly an opinion piece. The Hispanic kids are referred to as "Mexican." Now maybe I'm crazy for asking this, but surely they mean simply Hispanic kids but last I checked US schools were not open to Mexicans. Schools do not have infinite resources and ridiculously administrators are often knuckle rapped for expelling troublemakers. Even if they repeatedly commit assault on school property.
What is your solution?
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Mar 1, 2014 14:04:13 GMT 1
I never said that cops aren't obligated to respond to incidents. I said the Supreme Court ruled that they have no obligation to protect an individual. However, they are obligated to enforce the law. Making death threats is illegal and is punishable by time in jail. And I'm trying to leave the racial aspect out of this. When you have a situation where people are afraid to go to school because they're being threatened with violence/death and the school rules in favor of those who make the threats, what kind of message does that send? That if you don't like something you can beat the shit out of someone or even threaten to kill them until they submit to your views?
I'm not excusing the idiots who picked a fight on Cinco de Mayo in the first case in 2009, but when you have the incident in 2010 when kids wearing U.S. flags were sent home before anything could happen, that shows that thuggery is an acceptable means of discourse. I'm not saying that the school should have allowed violence to break out, but from the admittedly limited information I've dug up so far it seems little if anything was done to punish those acting in a thuggish manner.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Mar 1, 2014 14:16:11 GMT 1
I have a solution - make all schools, Public and Private, wear School Uniforms. That way nobody can claim to be offended by another person's clothing, and all the kids in the school are on equal footing with their wardrobes while in school. Now, part of me is joking there, because I know the cost involved in making uniforms for all students in the US and Canada would be a bit on the high side (mild understatement here), but,,, part of me is serious, because it would solve a lot of issues stemming from kids being picked on based on the clothes they wear. When I was in school, all the way from Elementary School to High School, one of the things I was bullied for was the fact that I didn't wear "the right brand name" on my clothes, or "the right colors" or whatever... except for when I was in Grade 10, my parents transferred me to an all-girls Catholic Private School in Halifax (even though we lived in a smallish town about 2 hours drive from Halifax) to get me away from the harassment and bullying. I was never happier in school than when I spent that year at Sacred Heart, where everyone was dressed the same and no one was picked on for their clothes (and in fact, the girls in Sacred Heart were generally better people than the ones I went to public school with). It was a better environment because the private school was held to a higher standard than public schools. Also, I just really liked the look of the school uniform... The only variations in the uniform was that on most days, the girls had the choice to wear either the navy blue dress pants, or the Blackwatch Kilt. We had the choice of either tights / pantyhose / or kneesocks with the skirt. The shirt was always the same - white button-down long sleeves, but most days we could roll up the sleeves if it got too hot. There were three different styles of sweater, in two color choices - navy blue or dark green. Long sleeved closed-front vs. Closed-front vest vs. Open-front Cardigan. On special occasions / Dress Uniform Days, all the girls had to wear the skirt with their choice of leg-covering, and the shirt had to be un-rolled, and we had to wear the necktie (in the same pattern as the skirt) under one of the sweater choices. So there were a few choices and a few options for individuality, but without the chance of being bullied for the clothes we wore. It was awesome. I miss that school...
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