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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 3:11:58 GMT 1
I hear that. Sorry for patronising. No problem. I didn't think you were patronising, I was just stating the more intricate details of the show, which seem to be glossed over or ignored whenever people say it sucks but don't seem to see the love and devotion that incredible piece of work actually shows.
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Post by Mister Buch on Nov 16, 2012 3:17:51 GMT 1
Well speaking of musicals, prostitutes, romantic views of love and starting arguments --
What do you all think of the movie Moulin Rouge? I really love it, but ever since the Nostalgia Critic's very damnung review I'm realising that a lot of people can't stand it. I'd be interested to hear opinions.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 3:26:43 GMT 1
I LOVE MOULIN ROUGE! Except for the ending. The ending is mean and makes me cry. But the movie as a whole is awesome! Nicole Kidman is a beautiful singer, and Ewan MacGregor is amazing as well... And John Leguizamo is hilarious as Toulouse Lautrec! ;D And "Come What May" is my favorite song in the whole movie... *starts humming "Come What May"
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Post by Mister Buch on Nov 16, 2012 3:33:35 GMT 1
Now we're talking! I loved the ending though. It may be the reason so many of my stories have surprise sad endings. I love them. Every time I work out a plot for a story I ask myself the same question from the movie: "And in the end does someone die?"
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 16, 2012 3:40:55 GMT 1
I understand that anything that reminds you of your ex can be a touchy subject - I myself have nightmares whenever something reminds me of a certain man in my past who shall remain unidentified for his own safety. But still, over-simplifying on a musical and making false or judgemental statements about the story based on a misconception about one single character is a bit much, don't you think? Also, the story was not just focused on artists. Mimi was an Exotic Dancer, which is still a real job, which earned her money, even if you disapprove of the job. Mark was a filmmaker who got a job with a TV Station shortly after the story started. Collins was a professor at NYU. Joanne was a lawyer. A rather successful one, might I add - and her family was implied to be loaded. Benny was a landlord, making quite a bit of money. Mimi was the only drug addict among the main cast, and anyone can become addicted to drugs through unfortunate circumstances in their lives - I think it shows strength of character for Mimi that she tried so hard to get off the drugs; I'm not sure how it was shown on stage (it's been a long time since I watched that DVD) but in the movie, she made one small setback when she bought one small baggie from her former dealer, but one look from Roger, and she throws it down and walks away without it. I myself have never taken addictive drugs of any kind (I even have a hard time taking Advil for headaches and won't touch pills unless the headache is crushing) so I really don't know from experience, but from what was shown in the movie version, the withdrawal symptoms are terrifying and seem to be crippling. So for people who are addicted, it can seem easier to just give in and keep using to avoid the withdrawal pains. Mimi, however, was willing to suffer those horrifying symptoms to get off the drugs. I don't know, somehow that strikes me as being a strength, not a weakness. Believe it or not, I don't find exotic dancers to be disrepuatable. Hell, I know several women in such a career who will use me fore prratice (mainly because I'm a gentleman and know why they do what they do.) My main bitch comes from lazy assholes who claim the title of "artist" with nothing to contribute one way or the other. Also, as I said, I shake my head at artists who think their given professsion will bring them food to the table when the evidence suggests otherwise and then bitch that they don't have enough money. As I said, I'm an artist in my own right, but I planned for not being able to live on my artistic skills. Disclaimer: I have a bias against those who don't plan ahead, so take it for what it's worth.
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 3:42:13 GMT 1
Now we're talking! I loved the ending though. It may be the reason so many of my stories have surprise sad endings. I love them. Every time I work out a plot for a story I ask myself the same question from the movie: "And in the end does someone die?" Generally I like it... ;D The courtesan and sitar-man are pulled apart by an evil plan, but in the end she hears his song... and their love is just too strong... The sitar player's secret song helps them flee the evil one. Though the tyrant rants and rails, it is all to no avail... I am the evil maharajah! Oh Harold, noone could play him like you could! No one's going to... ;D Anyway, as for the ending, I do like it in the sense that it is a beautiful story and the acting is superb - really, I love the whole movie - ending and all - I just can't stop bawling helplessly in the end after the curtain falls and everyone in the audience is cheering and roaring their approval completely oblivious to the crushing hearbreak going on on stage behind the curtain... *sniffles* Excuse me, something's in my eye... *bawls uncontrollably*
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Post by Mister Buch on Nov 16, 2012 3:44:28 GMT 1
You really believe Ewan McGregor's grief in that scene, don't you? It's powerful. It's perfection, that ending.
"No-one's going to." Best line in the movie!
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 3:46:40 GMT 1
Believe it or not, I don't find exotic dancers to be disrepuatable. Hell, I know several women in such a career who will use me fore prratice (mainly because I'm a gentleman and know why they do what they do.) My main bitch comes from lazy assholes who claim the title of "artist" with nothing to contribute one way or the other. Also, as I said, I shake my head at artists who think their given professsion will bring them food to the table when the evidence suggests otherwise and then bitch that they don't have enough money. As I said, I'm an artist in my own right, but I planned for not being able to live on my artistic skills. Fair enough. I'll back off of this topic - I just think RENT is a lovely musical, the music itself speaks to me in ways a lot of other music doesn't. Your opinions are your opinions and I am not trying to change them - I am merely trying to portray the other side. Devil's Advocate and all... I love RENT, and that's never going to change. So we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one! Disclaimer: I have a bias against those who don't plan ahead, so take it for what it's worth. You'd get along great with my father... LOL
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 3:49:09 GMT 1
You really believe Ewan McGregor's grief in that scene, don't you? It's powerful. It's perfection, that ending. "No-one's going to." Best line in the movie! I was merely sniffling a little with my eyes prickling unshed tears up until that point - and then when Ewan lets out that wail of despair, and the sight of him holding her so tightly like he's trying to force life back into her... ( *weeping again just from the memory of the scene*) the floodgates open and my tears flow forth like a raging river. Kudos, Mr McGregor, kudos.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 16, 2012 3:52:14 GMT 1
lol, well, I follow a Logical stand point. I'm all for following one's dreams. But if they sacrifice financial stablility for art and get burned, I'm not exactly going to be sympathetic.... ESPECIALLY since I and a multitude of others have told them to have a solid money-making job before dedicating one's life to art. Sorry, but if those who want to dedicate their lives to art aren't willing to live a lifestyle that supports such a thing, then too bad. They were warned and can share the fate of Vincent VanGogh ( who never sold a piece of his artwork during his lifetime and only became popular after he died.)
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Post by Lily Ariel Linders on Nov 16, 2012 4:05:57 GMT 1
Sorry, but if those who want to dedicate their lives to art aren't willing to live a lifestyle that supports such a thing, then too bad. They were warned and can share the fate of Vincent VanGogh ( who never sold a piece of his artwork during his lifetime and only became popular after he died.) Kind of like Jonathan Larson, who was a relative unknown with a few minor successes (supporting himself with a waitering job by day while working on RENT in his spare time) before the rousing success of RENT which sadly started the night after he died at the too young age of 36... Not wishing to start another RENT-related argument here, but you have to admit it was a greatly popular success - and I do wish Mr. Larson had lived to see his life's work come to such wonderful fruition...
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Post by Mister Buch on Nov 16, 2012 4:17:17 GMT 1
A master of his craft, innovative, shocking and celebrated for a hundred years? Van Gogh sounds like a fine role model to me.
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Post by CAPT Issac R. Madden on Nov 16, 2012 12:04:55 GMT 1
A master of his craft, innovative, shocking and celebrated for a hundred years? Van Gogh sounds like a fine role model to me. Except he lived in squalor and misery for the entirety of his profssional career and his paintings weren't well-regarded until about a decade or so after his death. Not taking away from Van Gogh's brilliance (or Larson's brilliance for that matter), butI don't find posthumous success to be a desirable trait for one to strive for.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Nov 16, 2012 15:39:17 GMT 1
I'm away for a day and I miss a Buch v. Iron fight over Musicals??? Damn it!
Rent never appealed to me, but I do like the "Seasons of Love" song.
I can't stand the visuals of Cats, but I have nearly the entire soundtrack on my Ipod. Music Man is much more my style (Robert Preston, not Matthew Broderick).
As to Moulin Rouge, I hated it. A) the visuals were ridiculous. B) The music was frenetic and disjointed (Since when does Nat King Cole fit with Madonna?). And C) it was a sad ending. That's not to say I won't ever watch it again, but I won't be doing so without serious GF points on the line.
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Post by Mister Buch on Nov 16, 2012 16:29:17 GMT 1
I'm away for a day and I miss a Buch v. Iron fight over Musicals??? Damn it! Over moral issues regarding a character in a musical that I've never seen and he barely remembers. That's much..... much more...... sensible. Hm.
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