Octo
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Post by Octo on Jun 21, 2011 23:35:42 GMT 1
Thanks, Gorvar.
TIM was exposed to Reaper objects in those silly prequel comics. So, yeah. He probably is indoctrinated. Probably not fully, though. Otherwise Lazarus would make no sense at all.
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Jun 27, 2011 15:25:29 GMT 1
I bet TIM is a backdoor to the Reaper's plan for the Project Genocide, given the state in ME3. I bet BioWare also handwave that part in the Lazerus project kinda failed on his be half due to the attack on the Lazerus station, which cause Shepard to jump start into the fight earlier than he anticipated, hence he couldn't implant some sort of reaper device into his/her mind at the right moment.
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Post by jklinders on Jun 27, 2011 16:11:48 GMT 1
I bet TIM is a backdoor to the Reaper's plan for the Project Genocide, given the state in ME3. I bet BioWare also handwave that part in the Lazerus project kinda failed on his be half due to the attack on the Lazerus station, which cause Shepard to jump start into the fight earlier than he anticipated, hence he couldn't implant some sort of reaper device into his/her mind at the right moment. Doesn't quite add up. I don't think TIM was indoctrinated at the start of ME 2. He was working against them possibly to find and abuse more of their tech as he is so fond of doing. But maybe during or just after he installed a new toy and got indoctrinated and now all of Cerberus is the Reaper's butt monkey.
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Post by Clint Johnston on Jun 27, 2011 16:21:18 GMT 1
That would be an ass pull in my opinion. "Why did ___ turn bad? Indocrination! " is too pat an excuse.
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Post by jklinders on Jun 27, 2011 16:28:29 GMT 1
Well it is...
Alternatively, and this is more likely and in character, TIM might have completely lost control of his whole organization due to their chronically sloppy research techniques. He might still be in control of himself but Cerberus in part or as a whole may be reaper toys.
In any event, Bioware are not trying to win a Pulitzer here, just make a buck or three off of writing what is increasingly B-grade sci-fi while entertaining us. As long as I can handwave it off for a few playthroughs I'll probably be happy.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jun 27, 2011 18:17:33 GMT 1
Why is it sometimes the fanfic writers do a better job at stories sometimes then the actual writers of said franchise?
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Post by Knightfall on Jun 27, 2011 22:33:45 GMT 1
I think fanfic writers are more in tune with what the focus of the franchise should be, or at least know what they want out of a story in that universe. Case in point: we're just now getting a story about Darth Revan after... eight years?
Dang, that's a long time. =(
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Post by jklinders on Jun 27, 2011 22:46:11 GMT 1
Well we are all unified here under similar interests. Most or maybe even all of us have some kind of creative spark in us so when we come up with an idea among friends here, it usually sounds pretty good.
It's pretty hard to make something that all of the millions of paying customers want. Odds are good they are going to piss someone off.
Also we love ME specifically. The Bioware team often have irons in other fires and are doing it as a job, not necessarily as a labour of love as we do here.
My .02
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Post by Tillian Panthesis on Jul 1, 2011 5:50:36 GMT 1
JK has a point there. I think I get more bang out of my buck by reading fan made stuff, if you look into the right places.
Oh and that new DA novel that involves with the Templar vs Mages... With deep sarcasm and lack of enthusiasm: Hurrah...
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jul 1, 2011 10:32:35 GMT 1
Where is my First Blight Story?! Or hell, what about the 4th blight with that elf with the huge libido? He sounds more interesting! Or what about this new threat in the Deep roads that even scares the darkspawn? Seriously, if something scares the darkspawn it has to be friggin' hardcore.
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Post by Nemonus on Jul 3, 2011 19:43:25 GMT 1
I completely agree that fan-made stuff tends to be better. This isn't just the case with BioWare either; the Star Wars franchise has a couple excellent novels but they also are part of about a hundred-book project. I'm beginning to see that the good writers turn down tie-in opportunities because it's so stigmatized. It's fans who don't feel that way, so it's the fans who can be used to prove that tie-in writing can be legitimate.
This is my plan for world/New York Times Bestseller List domination.
I have not in fact read any of the ME novels; I couldn't bring myself to buy them after flipping through a couple pages. But in my experience quality does rank like this:
Star Wars novels> Mass Effect novels> Halo novels.
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Post by Mister Buch on Jul 3, 2011 19:52:16 GMT 1
I don't know: I've read some horrendous Star Wars novels...
What was that thing called... 'Cloak od Deception'? And I like the author, James Luceno, too - but, damn. Also 'The Approaching Storm'.
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Post by Warhammer Gorvar on Jul 3, 2011 19:55:17 GMT 1
Hey, Fall of reach was awesome! Shutup!
I heard Death Troopers is pretty awesome. Zombies, AND Star wars with Han Solo and Chewbacca? How awesome is that?!
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Post by Mister Buch on Jul 3, 2011 19:55:56 GMT 1
Han is in that book?
Suddenly it sounds interesting...
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Post by Nemonus on Jul 3, 2011 21:09:07 GMT 1
Fall of Reach was awesome. First Strike was trippy and contained no characterization of anyone except Halsey. I did say that there were a few good Star Wars books among many! Cloak of Deception is not one of them. Matthew Stover's stuff is great though, and "Dark Rendezvous". Those authors pay as much attention to their wording as to their plot, which is something tie-ins tend to lack...
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